I’m pro communism. I’m not Pro China but as far as world powers go it’s certainly on the better end. Lots of issues that need to be fixed.
Just letting me know or what? Like that’s new info and I’m glad I have it so thanks but I don’t understand the relevance.
ITT: “oh no but the see see pee” if you think China is worse than America congrats on the brainwashing. There’s no perfect powerful country but China is not the worst by far.
I think the clear vegan answer is: stop the breeding, keep adopting/fostering. Anyone who disagrees probably isn’t a vegan.
Then you should be advocating for everyone who can have a vegan diet to have one. You should be advocating for the government to switch their subsidies from animal agriculture to supplements and human produce. And if the only way for you to affordably remain healthy is to eat animal products, you should be eating the absolute minimum amount you’re able to. But the reality is if you bought beans and rice and legumes and other vegan staples you’d save enough money to get your nutrition from supplements or more likely fortified food.
This is an article about how to get all your nutrients on a vegan diet. It described different ways a vegan can get what they need including from supplements.
Except your wrong unless you wish to provide evidence to the contrary. You came to our sub to make claims, back them up.
I can’t believe people still make this argument it’s profoundly stupid and is dismantled once you understand a single concept: We have to feed livestock more plants than humans. Meaning to reduce your impact on plant agriculture related deaths, GO VEGAN!
To clarify about the vegan stance on pitbulls and I think OP would agree: Pitbull hate is unnecessary but also NO ONE should be breeding or buying bred dogs. Another way to show you don’t really love animals. Adopt don’t shop.
This is the right answer. If you love dogs you don’t buy them.
You know what has displaced far more wildlife than housing? The areas we keep animals and the crops we grow to feed them.
“The cow can’t consent for or against it so we can’t call it rape”: This shows you don’t know what rape is from a very fundamental standpoint. According to this belief children, the mentally disabled, and passed out people all cannot be raped. “The animal had a decent life doing nothing but eating and getting slaughtered painlessly”: 1 if I offered you this life would you take it? Would you consider this life decent if it was yours? “Blah blah peta dominion”: so first of all I doubt you watched any vegan documentaries, if you did you would understand that the vast majority of the ethical issued raised have nothing to do with their death. Issues include: being kept in a tiny stall for most of their lives (don’t hit me with that free range bullshit, you don’t know what it means it’s a marketing term. 99% of all livestock in the United States are bred and live their lives in industrial farms), they are fattened to the point their legs can’t support them. They have their children ripped from them at a young age so their milk can be stolen. Their voices often become hoarse from calling for their young which have been stolen for veal/lamb or to suffer the same fate as them. They are hooked up to machines which pump them dry of the milk that was meant for the stolen children. They are starved of proper social interaction. They are kept inside barns for entire seasons. They stand ankle deep in the room and shit for extended periods of time. They are Transported in tight, cramped, and hot trucks. All this and I haven’t even mentioned all the animal welfare concerns let alone the environmental and health impacts (which are incomprehensibly large). I’m done wasting my time with you as you are either a troll, someone who engages in purposeful disinformation, or have swallowed so much propaganda from anti vegans it is hopeless to try to help you.
Forcing your morals as in: You think the horrible conditions, “artificial insemination”(rape), and systemized slaughter of billions of animals a year is morally acceptable because you eat and enjoy it. When you go to the deli section and buy pork you are providing funding to those who torture and kill animals. They have option but to suffer and die because meat eaters find their conditions morally expectable. That is having morals forced on you. We don’t throw around the terms rape and murder we are literally describing rape and murder. They are the appropriate words. And I’m not acting, I’m definitely “above” eating meat.
Oh lol I love that yeah fuck apologist
I don’t believe in objective morals either. I do believe that the suffering that they feel is objectively the same as the suffering we avoid in ourselves and others. When a dog is kicked or a mother has her calve ripped from her, they are each unique experiences, but to think they do not share a common ground in a feeling of suffering that underlies all emotion and thought, you greatly misunderstand your place in the animal kingdom. We can decide whether or not to torture, to kill, to rape, to murder. No god will enforce their rules upon us. The universe will not favor us one way or the other. It is solely a choice of ours. And so I see no issue in urging my fellow humans to make the choice that leads not to mother nor baby to cry out in pain and anguish. I urge my fellow human to be good. A better world is quite possible.
If there every exist a true natural superiority between two groups, the group that systematically murders the other will never be the one I consider superior. Do you truly think superiority justifies unimaginable levels of violence towards a powerless and voiceless group of individuals?
Never met a vegan anti vaxer though I’m sure they exist. Not sure how it would relate to veganism besides wanting to be “natural” but as veganism is a moral stance on animal treatment that’d be stupid. Apologist for what?
Sure! Thank you for telling me that’s great to hear! Makes me feel like I’m not screaming into a void.
If someone cannot eat vegan, vegans don’t expect them to. You should not eat animal products when you don’t NEED to. Most people, especially in first world countries don’t need to. Even more people don’t need to AS MUCH as they consume. I think that addresses your first paragraph just fine. Your second paragraph seeks to equate choices people make that involve only themselves and other willing participants to choices people make that effect another sentient being with an individual experience. They are fundamentally different. A better comparison would be “shame a capitalist for exploiting labor, shame a parent for hitting their children, shame a landlord for exploiting those who need homes” to which my response would have been: yes.
Well we should first define ethical. It what way could an individual end your life for profit while still being ethical? Is it possible? “Free range” doesn’t really mean much. If I have a hundred chickens in square foot cages, and then move all to a hundred square foot cage, I’ve not changed the amount of personal space they have, and I’ve decreased their quality of living because now they are climbing, clawing, and shitting on each other, but they are now considered “free range”. It’s a deceitful marketing my term. Most instances of “ethically sourced meat” are like this. Marketing terms to create profits. While 70% of Americans believe they buy ethically sourced about 99.99% of animals raised in captivity live their lives in industrial farms. Even mom and pop farms require cruel practices to continue. They require breading, which involves violating their sexual organs, and then taking their children from them. They require taking milk from the mothers that was meant for their removed babies. It involves killing them at a fraction of their life span, and their last days on the way and within the slaughterhouse are filled with fear, discomfort, and hopelessness that those of us who have not been persecuted will never understand. Let’s say however the cows live a life as good as a loved pet dog, and they are unaware of their instantaneous death (this is really never the case). Even then we run into huge environmental problems like the vast land usage it would take to raise even a tiny fraction of the meat we currently consume while providing them enough pasture to be “ethical”. On hunting, hunters love to act as though it is ethical and environmentally friendly. Although I don’t believe it’s wrong in the sense of nomadic tribes hunting and gathering, doing so in a first world country when a vegan diet is available to you is a lot different. They do not act like predators. They kill the strongest and most extravagant, not the weakest and sickest. They take the bodies from the land, not leave the remains to return to the environment. They are not predators. When predators do make a comeback hunting organizations often kill them so they do not effect the amount of tags they can sell. If we vastly reduced or ended animal agriculture and stopped killing predators, nature would govern itself without “overpopulation”. Personal fishing I don’t have info on but I won’t speak on it besides “you shouldn’t kill if you don’t have to”. To address your condition, it is much much rarer for someone to require meat consumption than to claim they do. I will assume you are someone who truly has that medical condition. If that’s the case you should get as much of your essential nutrients as possible without meat and eat only what you must to remain healthy. Advocate for veganism for those who can commit to it. And by the time vegans reach their goal of stopping animal agriculture, a variety of lab grown meats will be available to meet your needs. Hope this helps clarify and sorry for the mobile formatting.