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COMMENT Jun 09 '18

wow this thread is still alive!!

aur sikander bhai kya haal chaal?

you forgot the best ever founding father - Ben Gurion.

I have already raised objections to half of the list but never got an answer. Anyway I don't think anyone here will respond point by point to those contradictory points so lets be happy in our own bubbles.

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COMMENT Mar 01 '18

But you gotta read up more, soviet style govt cant go hand in hand with your dream of a official language.

discrimination on the basis of language was illegal under the Soviet Constitution They had an official language in 1990 only. Russian was only used for communication b/w states and central govt.

All the leaders of the then Dravidistan movement leaders like Annadurai would have been salivating at the prospect of your policies. Couldn't have gifted them a better weapon to, as you mention, GAIN TRACTION against north india. He failed to unite four states against Nehru, your benevolent policies would have surely made that a cake walk.

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COMMENT Mar 01 '18

Glad to meet a communism fan. You guys are rare these days.

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COMMENT Feb 28 '18

Lo beta, wholesale mein dividend mil rha hai yaha

Nearly 47mn kids in India stunted due to poor hygiene http://toi.in/tbXuoa

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COMMENT Feb 27 '18

No wonder why India is one of the most depressing countries.

Hmm

I really don't care about le idea of India

do you know the title of this sub?

homogenise the nation

WOW!! You really dont seem to get what happened with Pakistan, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Scotland,

India, a ticking time bomb that will eventually collapse

Get in line buddy, people have been waiting for more than half century. And while waiting look at this map we are the most STABLE country in the continent. The only one without a civil war or a coup or secession.

perpetual state of mediocrity

GDP per capita growth in past 60 years :-

  • China 1400%

  • Mexico 237%

  • USSR 182%

  • East Asia (non China, India) 128%

  • West Asia 291%

  • Latin America 180%

  • Eastern Europe 305%

  • Africa 100%

India 380%

We are not better than them, but also not in perpetual mediocrity as you assume.

a compromise I've found

Finally one constructive thing. Forget compromise, I'd love to know the IDEAL SCENARIO ACC TO YOU. Assume you have total control of 1946 constituent assembly and you can do anything with the entire british territory.

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COMMENT Feb 27 '18

LOL! I didn't even have to go looking for it. Some moron claimed it ON THIS VERY PAGE!!!!

Gandhi didn't even earn us freedom . British just basically gave it to us like shooing away an old and useless dog that's a liability more than an asset

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COMMENT Feb 27 '18

thoda maths padh lo kaam aayega zindagi mein.

Right now we are gorowing at an annualized rate of 1.2%

If this brilliant masterplan of unfreezing loksabha seats is implemented in 2026, all the south politicians will panic to avoid losing more seats. Assuming minimum sustained growth of 1.2~1.3%, and we can expect to cross 200 crores in about 2 decades of implementing this suicidal policy.

all you guys can celebrate democracy then.

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COMMENT Feb 27 '18

and this might be the reason you will never understand uniqueness of Bapu's nationalism, A version which is not dependent on 1 religion, 1 language, 1 enemy.

  • England had Protestantism as religion, English language and France as enemy. They oppressed scotts and Irish in that model. And are still suffering consequences to this date

  • France had Roman Catholicism, French and England as enemy

  • Pakistan had Islam, Urdu and India as enemy. They oppressed bengalis punjabis and had to get amputated because of it

  • SL had Budhdhism and Sinhala as unifying factor. They oppressed Tamils and suffered half a century of carnage due to it.

Bapu did the impossible, brought together the entire country without using a language/religion/enemy as unifying vector. Every observer had predicted that this experiment would implode spectacularly. We had the perfect recipe for it but somehow avoided the fate suffered by Pak, Bdesh, SL, Myanmar etc.

From a pure economic point of view it is better to have less borders in our case, as it means less military, more free trade and strength of a unified market. A federal state would risk the fate of yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Soviet Union, Gran Colombia etc. and if not that it would have resulted in even more inequality than the current situation.

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COMMENT Feb 27 '18

yeah, keep saying that till the day you are able to find a territory (nation or a province inside a nation) which prospered while having four decades of 3.5+ fertility rates.

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COMMENT Feb 27 '18

ab aur kitna data du, ye le data

Out of 200+ countries on this planet, there isn't a single nation which became prosperous despite four decades of fertility rates above 3.5

All the European countries, all the Asian tigers are example of this statistical relation. So write it on your hand if you tend to forget - No nation/state can prosper with four decades of 3.5+ Fertility rate

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COMMENT Feb 27 '18

I am so fascinated!! For the first time I have come across so many advocates justifying four decades of fertility levels > 3.5

Karo 4-4 bachche paida, Madrassa Mullahs and Sakhshi Mahraj would be very happy

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COMMENT Feb 27 '18

yeah, tell that to the glorious states of Bihar UP Rajasthan or African countries

Demographic dividend is nice thing to have, but that doesn't justify four decades of fertility rates being 3.5+

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COMMENT Feb 27 '18

okay let me put it this way, and this is the last time I am doing it

  • I don't have any issue with BIMARUs getting extra economic assistance. If you feel 419 is less then also its OK.. If you propose giving even 819 to Bihar, thats fine. I will edit out the line "they should be grateful" If you are objecting to it.

  • I don't have any issue with your inference that Natural causes and inherent disadvantages in location caused this shortage of funds. Subsequently the same shortage of funds resulted in failure of family planning services in BIMARU states

  • My only issue is the demand of lok sabha seat re-distribution. Out of 100+ comments nobody has the spine to take stand on what would they have done in 1976 when this promise was made. If Indira had not made this promise then TN Karnataka etc. would have employed all their resources to ensure that they match population explosion in the north. Politicians are concerned about only their own welfare, none of them would tolerate/facilitate their own loss of 1 lok sabha seat every decade.

This is a gross injustice without doubt, but it should continue!! Its the only way we can avoid more population explosions. Lets assume there is a PM who removes the freeze and takes away 5 seats from Kerala and give it to Bihar, what do you think will happen 2030 on wards?? Kerala will furiously try to match BIMARU growth rate so as to avoid more loss.

And soon we will have the 1st country on earth with 200 crore population. Phir dhol peetna 'Universal Franchise' ka.

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COMMENT Feb 26 '18

bhai link daal dey, I can't keep guessing the context.

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COMMENT Feb 26 '18

oh then, you are free to disagree.

I repeat, I am not saying that they would have failed to take off like a rocket. Rocket would have surely blasted off, but it wouldn't have reached the current levels of HDI, income, employment.

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COMMENT Feb 26 '18

As per 1970s data- population of China was 45% more than India's. If we assume absence of one child policy, hence china resulting in similar growth as India. Today China would have roughly 45% more than India's. Which comes to around 192 crores.

In such a scenario even a giant superpower like China would be burdened in terms of providing health, education etc to so many people. They would have beaten us anyway but wouldn't have the HDI and Income levels they have today.

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COMMENT Feb 26 '18

As per 1970s data- population of China was 45% more than India's. If we assume absence of one child policy, hence china resulting in similar growth as India. Today China would have roughly 45% more than India's. Which comes to around 192 crores.

In such a scenario even a giant superpower like China would be burdened in terms of providing health, education etc to so many people. They would have beaten us anyway but wouldn't have the HDI and Income levels they have today.

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COMMENT Feb 26 '18

you are agreeing with me rather than contradicting, read the second last line again

Bihar getting Rs 419 is fair, but Bihar being given 5 more loksabha seats while taking away 5 from Tamil Nadu is UNFAIR.

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COMMENT Feb 26 '18

you are agreeing with me rather than contradicting, read the second last line again

Bihar getting Rs 419 is fair, but Bihar being given 5 more loksabha seats while taking away 5 from Tamil Nadu is UNFAIR.