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COMMENT 14h ago

It was obvious from the context.

"Newest date we could find was 1800s, oldest was from early 1990s" doesn't make any sense, so it's the other one.

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COMMENT 21h ago

Ok Dwight

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COMMENT 23h ago

Here's what Moore had to say in 2008, before the movie:

“You could put a superhero in the real world for a dramatic effect, because they are kind of stupid. They got these tight costumes, stupid names; they’re kind of unbelievable, so if you actually put them in the real world and have people reacting to them the way that people would, you’d laugh at them, you’d be scared of them. It would be a different way of looking at them, so that’s what went mostly into Watchmen.

“[Gibbons and I] thought about superhero types like Batman, so I thought, ‘What would he be like in the real world.’ And he’d be very much like Rorschach—if you’re a revenge-driven vigilante, you’re not quite right in the head. Yeah, alright, your parents got killed when you were a kid, whatever, that’s upsetting. But for most of us, if our parents were killed when we were little, would not become a bat-themed costumed vigilante—that’s a bit mental.

So, I thought, ‘Alright, if there was a Batman in the real world, he probably would be a bit mental.’ He wouldn’t have time for a girlfriend, friends, a social life, because he’d just be driven by getting revenge against criminals… dressed up as a bat for some reason. He probably wouldn’t be very careful about his personal hygiene. He’d probably smell. He’d probably eat baked beans out of a tin. He probably wouldn’t talk to many people. His voice probably would have become weird with misuse, his phraseology would be strange.

“I wanted to kind of make this like, ‘Yeah, this is what Batman would be in the real world.’ But I had forgotten that actually to a lot of comic fans that smelling, not having a girlfriend—these are actually kind of heroic. So actually, sort of, Rorschach became the most popular character in Watchmen. I meant him to be a bad example, but I have people come up to me in the street saying, ‘I am Rorschach! That is my story!’ And I’ll be thinking, ‘Yeah, great, can you just keep away from me and never come anywhere near me again for as long as I live?’”

https://www.stevensurman.com/rorschach-from-alan-moores-watchmen-does-he-set-a-bad-example/

For what I meant in the last paragraph, you can get a basic idea in one of my previous comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbookmovies/comments/jwpczi/what_do_people_think_of_zach_snyders_watchmen/gcsk7x4/

I touch on that briefly here too: https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbookmovies/comments/euscp8/300_as_a_commentary_on_propaganda/ffto622/

Maybe one day I'll write an essay about it lol

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COMMENT 23h ago

Because awareness is an emergent system of your senses, that's why it's paradoxical [in a funny way, not in a "omg it doesn't make sense" way]

What lacking a sense does, is making you more aware of your handicapped awareness, it's a fun ironic concept even if it make sense.

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COMMENT 23h ago

Obviously.

She isn't saying that literally.

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COMMENT 23h ago

I deserted my previous work-friends because they started doubting that the earth was flat, that evolution was a thing and that consciousness wasn't a sign of human superiority [I mean, they doubted that it wasn't a sign, they believed it was a clear sign that humans could do whatever they wanted on earth and that it wasn't, you know, a process that emerged through evolution and isn't as divine as they think]

It started as little questions, and because at the time I was working to support my girlfriend as she was finishing her master in biochemistry you can guess I was leaning way more on one side of these explanation than the other... but I might have been doing a bad job because they never were able to buy any of it.

But holy fuck there's nothing more disheartening than being the only scientifically educated person in a group, and then seeing the rug slowly being pulled under you. You're pointing at the similitudes between every animals in the world, tracing a clear path of evolution in them, because that shit is so obvious to you, and they keep going "nah," you show Darwin's papers and try to unpack them and explain them and they go "nah,"... You start panicking, like legit going back onto yourself to understand what in your explanations doesn't connect with them, that your frantic bewilderment isn't helping, and you just feel like... you're drowning and no matter how much you're trying to conjure up your willpower, you muscles just won't move: they keep saying "nah," there's nothing you can do. You're not that powerful.

So I eventually left.

This image gives me PTSD lol

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COMMENT 23h ago

Here's a tip?

That's not a tip, that's conspiracy theory in and of itself.

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COMMENT 23h ago

Any of them could be either, honestly.

I'm a man and second-to-left is like, me_irl.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Except for the high density of human traffic...

...surrounded by a bunch of one-ton bricks of metal hurling at a hundred miles per hour.

Just because you've normalized it doesn't mean the world isn't already unsafe for you, so imagine for a blind person.

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COMMENT 1d ago

One of my friend is deaf and the biggest frustration for her is "how fucking deaf everybody is."

Because she's deaf, in public being aware of her surrounding is a matter of life or death [can't know if a car is suddenly crashing next to you unless you see and feel it, that kinda makes you "paranoid"]. So imagine that thing where you're walking in an aisle in a shopping center and people in front of you are just fucking clueless, blocking the aisle, don't see you or don't move, but the whole time you're thinking "HOW'S THAT POSSIBLE MOTHERFUCKER YOU'VE GOT ONE MORE SENSE THAN ME!?!? HOW CAN THAT MAKE YOU LESS AWARE!?!?!?"

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COMMENT 1d ago

Sure you can.

Send me $100 and I'll give you your exclusive encryption that proves you own this comment.

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COMMENT 1d ago

So if anybody is actually still interested in the actual question asked by OP: "Why does Zack Snyder have such a cult following?" you can look at this answer for a hint.

This is a thread asking a specific question: "Why does Snyder have avid fans?" and most of the answers are this:

"Well, let me not answer your question but instead I'll tell you why I don't like his movies"

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COMMENT 1d ago

Alan Moore is disappointed in how, for decades, fans have misunderstood the comic book.

You thinking Watchmen was "cool" wasn't a problem with the movie, it's a problem with its source material.

It's easy for nerds in 2021 to go "urr durr watchmen satire rorschsarch alt-right homphobic" because it's cumulation of 4 decades of conversations about it, anybody reading this comment and going "uh, no, it's pretty obvious one is a satire and the movie is a celebration" blah blah blah, you're missing the point.

Maybe in 4 decades people will eventually see Watchmen: The Movie as the comic-book-movie satire that it is [the suits have batnipples for godsake, how "cool" is that, really?], but for the moment the reception of the movie is about the same as the comic book was back in the days - it flew over most people's head, and the vast majority of fans who like it just take it a face value.

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COMMENT 1d ago

That’s not what radical feminism is. That’s not feminism period.

I'll humour you. Lets hear your arguments.

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COMMENT 1d ago

I'm sorry, my sense of conceptualization is kinda out of this world.

My sentiment echo everybody else who responded to you, saying that: no, there are parts of Feminism that can be bad, it's usually known as Radical Feminism, yadda yadda yadda.

If you have the ability to see "Toxic Masculinity" and work out what it means, how it doesn't target every men, how it's talking specifically about a specific subbranch of masculine expression, you can use that same linguistic phenomena on what would be a subbranch of Feminism - my use of "toxic" is simply to parallel this idea, as a sort of play on these concepts.

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COMMENT 1d ago

I do.

I thought it's was pretty explicit in context of the conversation.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Thinking in terms of "should" or "shouldn't" is the moment you'll try to make reality bend to your own will.

Mountains don't stop rivers, they get carved by it. Don't be a mountain in a rivers' path, be the foliage that shapes its way.

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COMMENT 1d ago

If you're mean despite it being detrimental to your cause, then... being mean is more important to you than your cause.

If you can't step on your own ego, bend over and kiss their feet, in order to make sure that "equality of human beings" as an idea and concept gets shared and spread through memetics...

Then yeah, you're more concerned with your own feelings than the actual equality of human beings.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Toxic Feminism isn't "all women" just the same that Toxic Masculinity isn't "all men"

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COMMENT 1d ago

a simple google search of "why do people say men are trash"

That's not... how that works.

Born in 89 I was raised through the 90's and I have, through my upbringing, have internalized "men are machos who only think about sex" because that was in the sitcoms that would play, in the ads, in the stand-up comedy, it was everywhere. You're 7 years old and you're attuned to your surrounding, you think "I won't be a man like that!" and you just don't really think about it afterwards, it's just part of what you observe in the world and how you want to shape yourself in relation to it: you like girls, you don't want girls to feel bad, you listen to them, society is telling you what the problems are with men so you try counterbalance them.

Yeah maybe later on when you're 20 years old and you do a google search and find that the issue is a bit more nuanced than that and then for the next 10 years you work in men's spaces, trying to understand and theorize and analyze and deconstruct and reconstruct and make sense of the whole thing...

But do you think a single Google search counteracted decades of conditioning? Do you think it took me one wikipedia article to stop repressing my sexuality?

Come on.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Yup. I knew it.

It's impossible for men to talk about their issues without this being brought on.

This could have been about bodyshaming, instead it's about how men are afraid of feminism.

Great.

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COMMENT 1d ago

If anything you'd have to tell them to do it because it's a cool thing to do.

This would guarantee a 500% drop in usage.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Dylan doesn't need money. Why sell out at this point?

I wouldn't say for sure, but I know that one thing they like to use to pull heartstrings is to remind the artist that despite having money, their social relevance is fading and kids are unaware of who they are and an ad might revitalize that.

Artists that don't care for money, at least always care a little bit about relevance, attention, mattering, leaving a legacy, being remembered, being loved, etc.

That's the thing about capitalism, it doesn't care, it will tell you anything you want to hear to sell you its thing. Oh, you want to be loved, respected, part of a group? Here, drink Pepsi!