r/politics Tennessee 4d ago

The Republican Party Is for Liars Only | Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney are discovering that there’s no room in the GOP for anyone who acknowledges that Biden beat Trump fair and square.

https://newrepublic.com/article/162294/mitt-romney-liz-cheney-resist-trumpism-big-lie
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u/8to24 4d ago

Bush and Trump literally lost the popular vote yet still became President. Neither showed humility about it and the Republican proudly marched forward relentlessly pursuing their agendas. Biden won the most votes in history and beat Trump by 7 million votes despite Republican efforts to disenfranchise and confuse voters. Still Republicans have the nerve to cry foul and complain. It is pitiful.

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u/WittiestOfNames Kansas 4d ago edited 4d ago

Just to point out, 7 million votes is more than double my state population. Or with the exception of Colorado, enough votes to cancel out my state and any neighboring state. Yet people think that amount of votes can be easily falsified.

Crazy to me. The sheer amount of people that would take to pull off, and not a single whistle blower? Uh huh...sure guys.

Edit: a word

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u/vrrrggggl 4d ago edited 4d ago

And by contrast, we know for a fact that Trump was calling officials in Georgia (and likely every other red state) demanding that they "find" him more votes. We literally have Trump on tape trying to commit election fraud.

Edit : There are people responding that this is incorrect and providing articles that show minimal corrections to small misquotes. The following article has the entire recording to listen to :

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/i-just-want-to-find-11-780-votes-in-extraordinary-hour-long-call-trump-pressures-georgia-secretary-of-state-to-recalculate-the-vote-in-his-favor/ar-BB1cqNSk

"I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state" Trump says this to Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, at 2:26 into the recorded audio sourced on the page.

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u/Fishbone345 Utah 4d ago edited 4d ago

Lot of good it did. He’s still planning on running in 2024. And as of right now. Nothing is stopping him.

Edit: I’d like to say, I love all the responses. This is what we should be doing. But, there is such thing as being “confidently wrong” too. Almost every response saying there is ‘no way’ he’ll win in 2024, can be found on the internet somewhere from 2016. This literally happened before.\ And let’s say he doesn’t win. Don’t let that small victory fool you into complacency. Another Republican like him (Ron Desantis, his son, Tucker Carlson, etc...), is almost worse. They won’t be as stupid.

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u/FloatsWithBoats 4d ago

Age might... he will be 78 and he certainly isn't the healthiest.

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u/ha_look_at_that_nerd 4d ago

(In David Attenborough’s voice) “Only one thing could bring down this beast: his daily diet of 4 Big Macs, and the unrelenting forces of time”

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u/meta4junglist 4d ago

His poops must extreme

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u/clgoh 4d ago

No wonder he has to flush 10 times.

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u/Sammy123476 4d ago

Flush? He's been wearing diapers since the Apprentice!

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u/RaiShado Oklahoma 4d ago

Yep and (the dude you replied to cause for some stupid reason I can't address them directly without replying to their post) look up the stories of some of the crew that worked on the Apprentice, they'll talk about how Trump would just shit his pants in the middle of filming.

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u/Fishbone345 Utah 4d ago

True. But, I felt that when he got Covid it might be a factor and it certainly wasn’t.

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u/Gingevere 4d ago

I'm pretty sure COVID came very close to killing him. And it would have killed him if he hadn't received presidential grade medical treatment.

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u/TehMephs 4d ago

That reminds me of a joke about the extraordinary medical care Trump got when he contracted COVID.

I don’t think anyone else would get it

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u/Midnite135 4d ago

I too saluted my helicopter after it brought me back home from the hospital.

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u/robot65536 4d ago

Probably better than any other rich asshole in recent history, he made sure the rest of us wanted exactly what he had.

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u/ronthesloth69 4d ago

Yeah, experimental treatments and a platoon of doctors will make a difference.

It really pissed me off how nonchalant he was after he recovered. Just straight back to ‘Kung-flu’ and ‘China virus’. He just doubles down every time.

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u/jeexbit 4d ago

I hope he does, he'll be destroyed. Unfortunately he will also stir up a lot of violence and division.

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u/CallTheOptimist 4d ago

I'm not a trump supporter, a fan, an endorser of the former president in any way shape or form. I clarify that to say. 5 years ago, 6 years ago, people were extremely confident trump would embarrass himself and quickly bow out. For God knows what reasons, the man has a stranglehold on the right, and I have too many vivid memories of everyone laughing it up because there's no way this doofus can win. We can't get fooled a second time, and believing there's no way we'd get fooled is a big first step.

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u/some1american 4d ago

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times — you can’t get fooled again.

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u/CallTheOptimist 4d ago

There's an old saying, down in Tennessee, it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee too. It says....

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u/SeekerSpock32 Ohio 4d ago

Even if there’s a 1% chance of him becoming president again, that’s too high. I want him gone forever.

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u/Fishbone345 Utah 4d ago

Exactly. I don’t consider that a victory. As much as some people think another Civil War would be fun, I really don’t think it would. Lol\ This cycle is problematic. With around mid forties percent support for that party, we are never going to get anywhere with legislation. If the Left were having momentous victories, I’d feel different. But, considering they didn’t it’s daunting at best.

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u/thecorninurpoop 4d ago

I don't know how anyone who thinks another civil war would be fun remembers to breathe

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u/abrandis 4d ago

He learned those tactics from NYC mob during his days as a real estate developer , that's exactly what he was doing

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u/Randomfactoid42 Virginia 4d ago

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that Trump wasn't attempting election fraud, he was actually doing it. The officials in Georgia didn't go along with it, but it was still election fraud.

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u/terminaljive 4d ago

Exactly. If I make a plan to kill someone, it may not be murder, but it's still conspiracy to commit murder.

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u/Randomfactoid42 Virginia 4d ago

Excellent metaphor! It's definitely conspiracy to commit murder when you start asking people to help!

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u/JetSetJAK 4d ago

He legit told his voters to vote twice during a rally in North Carolina, telling his supporters to vote by mail and in person. He committed a felony on camera and didn't see any repercussion.

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"

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u/merlin401 4d ago

Right. It was unsuccessful election fraud

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u/CO_PC_Parts 4d ago

It’s a federal crime to even suggest voter fraud to others and encourage it. He committed it in North Carolina when during a speech he told people to try to vote twice.

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u/Randomfactoid42 Virginia 4d ago

And will suffer no consequences. It still makes my head spin that even though Trump was blatantly committing election fraud /conspiracy to commit election fraud, so many think that Biden was the one who stole the election?

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u/BongarooBizkistico 4d ago

I'm at the point where I thoroughly despise all Republicans, voters included. It's incredibly unhealthy but it's honestly like they strive to be hated. Every fucking think they do is more corrupt than the last.

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u/Tinidril 4d ago

I've purged every single hardcore Republican I know from my life. If they are still holding on at this point, they are too far gone for me to ever reach, so fuck 'em.

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u/BongarooBizkistico 4d ago

When Trump happened anyone who supported and wasn't family was dead to me. And family destroyed my opinion of them forever if they supported Trump. They want to act like this is "just politics" but that's precisely why I think very lowly of them.

Basic morality isn't "politics", something to be walled off and not spoken about because every opinion is created equal.

Trump support started at a "can you see racism if it's right in front of you?" test and led to the question "is there any length you won't go to for your political goals?" Finally, it became whether or not the idea of fascism bothers you. No trump supporter pulled their head out of their ass long enough to see what was going on long enough to put political goals aside.

It ceased to be about politics long ago. Racism and hate are not political ideas.

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u/LoamChompsky 4d ago

Racism and hatred was the glue that held slavery in the United States together, and when that was ended, the same prejudices led to Jim Crow, segregation, the war on drugs, redlining, etc. All this craziness today is the same exact sentiments that have enforced a racial hierarchy that pits poor people of all races against each other in order to serve the elite. They're just losing demographically, so the racism is becoming more overt and more desperate. I would say racism and hate ARE political ideas and ones that have always been promoted and have always been effective in the United States.

Lyndon Johnson: " “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

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u/mypancreashatesme 4d ago

It speaks volumes about a person if they would prefer to have a leader like Trump. It shows a lack of empathy, a lack of foresight, and a lack of critical thinking. I’ve ever met a single Trump supporter who will participate in a discussion about Trump’s words and behaviors without including a “what-about” argument to ignore the question. And the ones who do speak openly about his words and behaviors more often than not end up outing themselves as hateful or racist or classist.

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u/2007Hokie I voted 4d ago

The Venn diagram of the modern Trumpian voter and extreme Evangelical Christian adherents is damn near a circle.

Extreme Evangelicals absolutely believe they are persecuted at every step of the way. I know of several who believe if they aren't actively being persecuted, they aren't being good Christians, "As Christ was persecuted." So they do what they need to do to get that persecution complex.

They honestly strive to be hated. They need to be hated to feel validated.

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u/Dahhhkness Massachusetts 4d ago

I mean, just think of what someone could gain by exposing such a plot. Book deals, a movie, the adoration and gratitude of millions.

But in the Fox News Cinematic Universe, all Democrats are just so universally and completely treacherous, corrupt, greedy, and evil that not a single one would ever break rank to...betray others and enrich themselves.

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u/vrrrggggl 4d ago

Until you made this comment, I never noticed how similar current anti-liberal language and viewpoints are to the antisemitic tropes about international bankers and Communists that stretches all the way back to Mein Kampf. This is especially true if you consider that they portray George Soros as the evil mastermind behind every modern political problem.

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u/BellEpoch 4d ago

They keep acting like it's hyperbole to call them fascists, but they're literally copying Hitler's playbook. They just fucked up by trying to install an idiot for their leader. They'll keep trying until one of them is competent.

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u/ProfNugget 4d ago

I don’t think enough people realise this. Hitler, whilst evil beyond belief, was a wildly clever and talented politician, if Trump had even half the ability that Hitler had the US would be a very different place right now.

They followed Hitler’s playbook, and they failed, because Trump is an idiot.

Edit: can’t be too certain they failed. Hitler’s rule was preceded by the failed Beerhall Putsch and the imprisonment of Hitler. Parallels can be drawn between the failed insurrection at the Capitol on 6th January. People underestimated Hitler’s ability to come back stronger and he capitalised on that. I personally think Trump is too stupid and blinded by his own delusions of grandeur to pull off the same move, but it’s possible.

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u/Toaster161 4d ago

Whilst Trump is of course an idiot a huge difference between them is motivation.

Hitler truly believed in his vile rhetoric, Trump says whatever he thinks will help him make the most money. Turns out that was fascism.

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u/ProfNugget 4d ago

That’s very true. I hadn’t really thought of it that way. I suppose the effort:payoff ratio is different and has different breaking points depending on if you’re a lazy grifter trying to make money or if you genuinely believe you’re going to change the human race for the better.

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u/JulesHaggard 4d ago edited 4d ago

In contrast to Hitler after the Beer Hall Putsch, Trump is old.

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u/ProfNugget 4d ago

Another very good point. He’s also fuelled entirely by McDonald’s, diet cola and adderall

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u/Gingevere 4d ago

Talented maybe. Clever? No.

A lot of those tactics aren't about being clever. It's about being dumb enough to do them with 0 hesitation or self awareness.

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u/Hockeyrage88 4d ago

Doesn't have to be the same Trump next time.

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u/PunktualPenguin 4d ago

Hitlers second attempt after the Beerhall Putsch was directly enabled by the sympathetic judge that handed down his sentence.

They won’t stop.

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u/nowthatsmagic 4d ago

With the Republican caucus that is dedicated to “Anglo-Saxon political tradition” and all the garbage they’ve spewed thus far literally is out of the Nazi playbook.

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u/the123king-reddit 4d ago

From Wikipedia (with my own GOP-related sources added):

Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

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u/Gingevere 4d ago

I always go off of Umberto Eco's 14 common characteristics from Ur Fascism.

  1. The cult of tradition.
  2. The rejection of modernism.
  3. The cult of action for action’s sake.
  4. Disagreement is treason.
  5. Fear of difference.
  6. Appeal to social frustration.
  7. The obsession with a plot.
  8. The enemy is both strong and weak.
  9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy.
  10. Contempt for the weak.
  11. Everybody is educated to become a hero.
  12. Machismo and weaponry.
  13. Selective populism.
  14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak.

You could make a bingo cards out of these points and I guarantee you'll get a bingo 5 minutes into any trump campaign speech. The Rally on the morning of the 6th was particularly heavy with these points.

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u/Sakytwd 4d ago edited 4d ago

I also think it is worth pointing out that Eco did not argue that all of these had to exist together for fascism to be present, and when I see this list on Reddit I often note that the sentences which preceded it are left out, which are really important (emphasis mine):

...I think it is possible to draw up a list of characteristics typical of what I should like to call 'Ur Fascism', or 'eternal Fascism'. These characteristics cannot be regimented into a system; many are mutually exclusive and are typical of other forms of despotism or fanatacism. But all you need is one of them to be present, and a Fascist nebula will begin to coagulate

Since you often see people say "yeah well Trump/GQP don't match with all of the things on the list, so your argument is invalid", I think this is important to note. You don't even need a Bingo, you only need one to be present for Eco's point to be met - that any of these things alone can be present for a fascistic system to start to be created around it, but also that they can be contradictory in nature and are not unique to fascism. I'd recommend reading the book, it's very short.

EDIT: spelling.
EDIT 2: clarification in the final sentence.

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u/Shaunair 4d ago

I have been saying this to my family for years now. I am liberal, half my family is staunchly republican. I continue to ask them if they think it’s ok to talk about liberals using the same language as supremacists use to talk about the Jews. They don’t care.

It is zero coincidence that these are the same people (republicans in general) that deny institutional racism exists. If they can’t see the signs in themselves, they sure as hell aren’t seeing them in the system. Or they do and just don’t care.

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u/Gingevere 4d ago

The nazis used the term "cultural bolshevism" to describe everything they disliked and to have an imagined plot to blame all the woes of society on.

Modern art? Cultural bolshevism. Miscegenation? Cultural bolshevism. People being gay? Sexual bolshevism. People insisting that employers should pay for the people they mangle in machines? Cultural bolshevism. People saying that minorities aren't the cause of society's problems, but are actually it's greatest victims? That's 1000% cultural bolshevism.

Who were the Bolsheviks? That was the name of the Marxist party in Russia.

So now when you see people saying cultural marxism...

It's literally the exact same playbook, just translated into english.

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u/TheInfernalVortex Georgia 4d ago

People arent saying cultural Marxism, they're just saying "communist" or "socialist" now. They're eschewing any kind of precision and just applying the labels as broadly as possible these days. We are past that stage of "cultural marxism" and straight into the "Democrat-Communist-Revolution Party" realm of things.

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u/animuseternal 4d ago

Jordan Peterson has built a career out of attacking “cultural Marxism” and is a proto-fascist the fash like to herald as a philosopher-king.

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u/Clutch_Ass_Walrus California 4d ago edited 4d ago

If Mein Kampf upsets you, read about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. There’s a two-parter of Behind the Bastards breaking down the long standing connection between conspiracy theories and antisemitism.

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u/MrPoopyButthole901 4d ago

Behind the Bastards might be one of the best podcasts currently available. Can't recommend it highly enough and Robert Evans is a terrific journalist.

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u/Clutch_Ass_Walrus California 4d ago

I just finished the two parter on Paul Manafort, and wow, I didn’t know I could detest him more.

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u/PerfectZeong 4d ago

Oh it goes well back before mein kampf. Hitler invented nothing new in the theory of antisemitism.

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u/belowlight 4d ago

This is correct. It’s identical. Jewish banker basically has been rephrased to just banker today, but essentially the same thing. Somehow they are still believed to be an international cabal intent on installing authoritarian socialism everywhere possible, despite the exact opposite (end-stage capitalist oligarchy) having spread around most of the world at this point.

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u/Diulaylomoh 4d ago

Blood libel has been an anti-semitic conspiracy theory for hundreds of years. Featured heavily in Nazi propaganda. Qanons save the children bullshit is just another modern day rehash of the exact same thing.

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u/beansandneedles 4d ago

The QAnon conspiracy is basically just repurposed antisemetic tropes, especially blood libel.

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u/PM_ME_UR_STARDEW_MAP 4d ago

As usual, theses shitheads couldn’t be bothered to do something original. Just like the nazis with the swastika. No critical thought, just self importance.

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u/xavier120 4d ago

That's what they are doing now so they think because they are all corrupt, the dems must all be corrupt too. It's why they push the false equivalence so hard, they cant sleep at night otherwise.

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u/sttevenindavalley 4d ago

I somehow think all the GQP sleep just fine. God is, after all, on their side.

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u/cbeck23 4d ago

Fox news cinematic universe?.... lol. Now that was funny (and scary in its truth)

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u/Archaris 4d ago

Because if they did, they would be censured by their own party.
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u/greenSixx 4d ago

You mean...they would get canceled?

Lolz

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u/fujiman 4d ago

Back? They never leave that one.

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u/iusuallypostwhileipo 4d ago

It's a little ride I like to call Schrodingers Mobius Strip.

They're both the strong silent majority and victims of the evil left, meanwhile the Gaslighting, Obstruction, and Projection never end. Fun for the whole family!

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u/rogueblades 4d ago

Also just think about how much you need to understand about the american political system to pivot from "absurd conspiracy" to "reasonable variables within voting"

Republican voters are those kids in grade school who handed in math sheets without showing their work, got every question wrong, and then accused the teacher of a conspiracy to fail them.

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u/slide_into_my_BM 4d ago

Let’s even say that 99.99% of the thousands it would be required to do such a feat were so fanatical that they kept quiet. There would still be a handful of people willing to take millions in payments to prove the conspiracy was true. That’s what conspiracy people the world over are never willing to accept. They are happy to believe people are selfish or greedy enough to be bought off initially but never willing to believe they’re selfish or greedy enough to be bought off a second time to reveal the truth

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u/stuie382 4d ago

There seems to be a stream of 'whistleblowers' coming out, but they are talking about republicans forging votes :p

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u/BongarooBizkistico 4d ago

ThAtS wHaT aNtIfa wAnTs yOu tO tHiNk!!111

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u/putin_my_ass 4d ago

Yet people think that amount of votes can be easily falsified.

Most people don't actually think, as in they don't deliberate.

They react to the whims of the herd and choose their truth based on what is expedient in the moment.

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u/BongarooBizkistico 4d ago

Exactly. They never for one moment considered logistics of how this massive fraud was possible. They just can't handle that they are and always have been in the minority.

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u/BitterFuture America 4d ago

Look at Virginia - the orange monster's campaign didn't even really bother campaigning there. Biden won by more than ten percent of the vote.

And yet the leading Republican candidate for governor there has several times said that she's sure that Biden only won the state through fraud.

Reality. It's not a thing they are close to.

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u/NoKids__3Money 4d ago

During the idiotic lawsuits after the election a conservative friend of mine who watches Fox News all day insisted that in Atlanta some black lady pulled out hundreds of thousands of ballots out of the trunk of her car into the ballot counting area in broad daylight. I asked him if he ever stopped to think about the physical size of hundreds of thousands of ballots and whether or not he thinks that could fit in the trunk of a car and after a few seconds he just said well it had to have been multiple trips LOL

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u/daemin 4d ago

100 sheets of "normal" paper weighs a pound. Ballots are usually thicker than normal paper, but regardless... 100,000 ballots would weigh 1,000 pounds. That's over the carrying capacity of a compact, mid-sized or full-sized car.

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u/teeshart 4d ago

This has been my point for months. The party that thinks the holy grail of corruption is on Hillary's servers or a laptop left for repair thinks that thousands of people conspired across state lines to pull off the biggest theft in Earth history and there's not a single text message, screen shot, accidental reply all to prove it.

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u/EvitaPuppy 4d ago

You know, I just realized - Trump and his cult never say millions of votes, only thousands. Sure, for a close state, that would be significant. But it's like they're whistling past the elephant in the room. Trump lost by Millions.

And this is a guy who sprinkles the words billions and millions into nearly every sound bite.

The honorable Republicans should repeat this fact at every opportunity.

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u/Western_Resort Minnesota 4d ago

Right!?!
Like, conspiracy theorists have never had to run a team of people. It’s hard to get 8 individuals to keep together and finish a work task. Never mind some national election conspiracy.

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u/chaoticnormal 4d ago

Maybe that's why they couldn't fathom the election teams meeting for pizza to go over strategies in new towns. They don't know team organization and getting everyone on the same page in a meeting so it MUST be that Dems are eating babies.

Jeez, if you thought it was crazy before and then you realize it's absolutely tied to critical thinking in one paragraph...dang..

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u/redditallreddy Ohio 4d ago

not a single whistle blower

There were LOTS of whistle blowers...

... who had nothing to do with insuring the security of the election and had no way of knowing if there was actually any fraud.

Oh, wait, those are called "liars".

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u/QueerCrossStitch 4d ago

The thing about conspiracy theories that I find fascinating is that the people who believe them (in my anecdotal experience) seem to often be folks who have never worked in/with a large, complex organization. Conspiracy theories are oddly optimistic in the level of cooperation and coordination they would take to pull off.

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u/12thandvineisnomore 4d ago

Yes. How powerfully coordinated the democrats are to have either thrown so many votes country wide, or suddenly descended on the critical counties (which ones you’d only know were crucial in the last hours) and steal the vote. Some how they did that without detection, and also decided to let McConnell win his race, drag out the Georgia senate races to only a tie, and lose a bunch of down-ballot races. Ridiculous

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u/Sir_Francis_Burton 4d ago

They don’t really think that. They say that they think that because they’re trying to destroy democracy and they’ll say and do anything to do it.

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u/PitifulDraft433 4d ago edited 4d ago

The politicians don't but a wide swath of the constituency does. I think this is what Biden and his team have been pretty good at pointing out to said constituency, at least the disparity aspect. When polled, without using buzzwords in the questions, time and time again republican voters like the policies that Biden is going after. These policies have been wildly popular for years so they're just going after them one by one and they have broad bipartisan support among voters. The republican party doesn't care about what their voters want and are getting further and further off the mark as far as messaging and direction.

The biggest problem is pride. We know republican voters wont admit they were wrong but if you can make is seem like a whole new idea with better phrasing and clearly define what it will do for them personally, we might have a chance at actual progress for a little while at least. The more you can drive the wedge between the party and the voters the more progress there is that can be made. But we need to strike while the iron is hot and somebody needs to figure out what Joe Manchin needs to get on board. That and/or DC statehood!

Edit: Clarification on first point.

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u/Sir_Francis_Burton 4d ago

It’s magical thinking, they think that if they pretend to believe something hard enough, that if they say the words with enough conviction, that it becomes ‘true’. Deep down they know it’s a lie, but uttering the truth, or even letting the truth enter their thoughts, could break the spell, so they don’t.

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u/sgthulkarox 4d ago

"but the electoral college!!"

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u/9mackenzie Georgia 4d ago

It’s not pitiful. Its fucking evil. It’s a tactic that is working way too well, a massive chunk of our country truly believes Biden didn’t win, and due to this will be fine having their own voting rights stripped from them.

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u/chick-n-doodle 4d ago

Not their own rights, somebody else's

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u/BitterFuture America 4d ago edited 4d ago

Back around last September or so, Republicans in Michigan organized a grand absentee ballot request form burning. The state had sent out a request form to every registered voter in the state, to send in if they wanted. Republicans on the ground responded by burning their own request forms.

They're not above hurting themselves if their overlord tells them it's for the greater good.

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u/shezamazing87 4d ago

Oh republicans have no problem setting themselves on fire just to watch others choke...

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u/9mackenzie Georgia 4d ago

Their own along with it. They are all willing to harm themselves in order to try to harm others more.

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u/MechanicalTurkish Minnesota 4d ago

They're not that smart. They see other people's rights getting stomped on, they're all for it. When theirs get stomped on as well, they get a Pikachu face and go "wait, that's not what I meant"

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u/01123spiral5813 4d ago

My mom is one of those people who thinks there was fraud and absolutely no way Biden got all those votes.

I have tried to explain that Trump’s vote count is actually very impressive, but he was so polarizing that people got out and voted against him.

Her argument is pretty much the same as everyone’s “how did this boring ass old man who couldn’t get a crowded rally beat Trump.”

….you answered your own question when you said ‘Trump.’

People voted for the person who WASN’T Trump. It’s that simple. If you are someone still struggling to realize why he lost you have been living under a rock for over four years now. Yeah, the dude was popular with his voters, but this is a huge country with a lot more people that absolutely vilified the guy.

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u/mostNONheinous 4d ago

They really just cannot fathom the hate for him, despite THEIR hate for damn near everything he asks them too.

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u/felesroo 4d ago

While the rest of us cannot fathom why anyone in the world would lionize a person like Trump. He's so obviously a shitty person. Why anyone outside of a small group of absolute troglodytes would admire that I have no idea.

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u/01123spiral5813 4d ago

It’s so fucking frustrating. The guy got millions upon millions of dollars from his father to start his businesses, which he bankrupted multiple times. At first we found he was $340 million in debt, then we found out it was actually $400 million, then Forbes looked into it and it turns out he’s $1B in debt. Yeah, he’s got the assets to cover it, but he’s clearly not the brilliant businessman people got conned into voting for.

He says “trade wars are easy to win.” Let’s not even talk about China, just Canada. He rescinded a tariff literally within days of implementing it because Canada hit back. Immigrants are climbing over his border wall with $4 ladders. Not to mention how much land was acquired from private property owners to build the ugly thing.

“I like taking the guns first, go through due process second.” - Donald Trump

This guy is an utter fucking failure. I’ll even go out and say that I do admire the administrations cracking down on sex trafficking, they really did great on that, but everything else? No.

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u/totallyalizardperson 4d ago

I’d point out The Simpsons episode, “Lisa’s Substitute” in which Bart and Martin are running for class President. Bart managed to get the most support from the students, have the biggest rallies and still lost to Martin because no one voted for Bart. Which leads to this:

https://youtu.be/EKSgxJhVFcU

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u/PortalWombat 4d ago

I'm never going to a political rally and neither are any of the liberal people I know. I don't need to waste an afternoon to know a candidate's talking points and if they give a particularly good speech I can watch it later.

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u/01123spiral5813 4d ago

That’s another thing I’ve tried to mention.

Going to a political rally is not a requirement to vote.

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u/ChefMike1407 4d ago

It is embarrassing. I can’t even talk to certain relatives anymore. They claim they don’t associate with Q and how they are the equivalent to Antifa, yet over ten million people voted illegally. I am over it.

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u/greenSixx 4d ago

The Antifa boogeyman isn't real

Not a single person has been found to be part of this Antifa mob

An Antifa exists, sure, but it's not what the GOP are talking about.

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u/PortugalTheHam 4d ago

Exactly wearing Black Bloc and punching nazis has always been decentralized. There are Antifa tactics, there is no Antifa as a group.

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u/I_W_M_Y South Carolina 4d ago

Upgraded from Soros to Aunt Ifa

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u/israeljeff 4d ago

I remember W and friends throwing the word mandate around a lot.

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u/YuGiOhippie 4d ago

It’s not pitiful. It’s evil.

They want to destroy democracy

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u/sgthulkarox 4d ago

They are pitiful.

Professional schemers and unrepentant liars, every damn one of them. Probably the reason scumbags gravitate to them.

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u/FelchMasterFlexNuts 4d ago

The Repulicans' rampant efforts for voter fraud and suppression over the years pretty much guaranteed this level of tantrum making:

"We've rigged the system so much so that there was NO WAY you could've won without cheating! We're calling foul!"

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u/Drumboardist Missouri 4d ago

Y’mean like when Karl Rove lost his mind, live on-air, because Ohio went to Obama (despite him knowing that the voting machines had been rigged)?

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u/BellEpoch 4d ago

And yet, even Bush made it pretty clear he doesn't believe their bullshit.

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u/-Holden-_ 4d ago

Here's the thing. Very few of the people who say Biden stole the election actually believe he did. They're acting in bad faith, they want to upset people by claiming he stole the election - and it's their way of drawing a line in the sand and letting each other know which side they stand on.

Their goal is hate - and their modus operandi is hate - and by stating this falsehood over and over, they know it bothers folks - and that brings them joy.

They're sadists.

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u/TubaMike North Carolina 4d ago

They’re fanatics, and I say that as a direct reference to sports fans.

They wear T-shirts and hats supporting their team. Always buys the latest merch. They go to big events in stadiums where they can cheer on their heroes and boo their adversaries. They believe the referees are always biased against their team and they always get the bad call. They believe the other team is always cheating or paying off the refs. Media coverage that criticizes their team is baseless and corrupt, while media coverage that praises their players is insightful and interesting.

There’s nothing wrong be being a fan of sports or other things (fan of a band, movie franchise, etc), but I’m not sure it is healthy to be a “fan” of politicians or political parties.

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u/Napo2212 4d ago

It is bad, scary and wrong even, to think of politicians to the degree the Maga crowd does with Trump. Regardless of your political views, we all have politicians that we like, or at a minimum dislike less then the others, but the Maga/Trump thing is something else.

I remember the 2008 election, I liked Obama but even then it bothered me how some people on the left were treating him, idolizing him in what I felt was getting close to an unhealthy way. That's got nothing even remotely close to what we are seeing now with Maga and trump. They literally hold him up as Christ...

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u/Counting_Sheepshead 4d ago

it bothered me how some people on the left were treating him, idolizing him in what I felt was getting close to an unhealthy way

Yeah, idolizing any politician is just super foolish, though I get why Obama would be a special case. I would have preferred that people separated the politician from the progress he represented, but I kind of get why it happened. Hopefully the past decade has taught everyone the dangers of getting too excited about a candidate.

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u/nuorigin 4d ago

I became an Obama supporter specifically because of the policies that he put forward. His agenda made sense. The Republicans' only agenda is negativity towards Democrats, non white races, marginalized groups, etc. They have a shoestring hold on power and have resorted to pure evil in the name of Jesus to accomplish their goals.

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u/Christ_votes_dem 4d ago

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

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u/someguy3 4d ago edited 4d ago

This thread from Kurt Eichenwald on Twitter explains it all.

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1335066422033178624?lang=en

I think I understand. I have watched GOPrs sneer at COVID, dismiss 1000s of deaths a day as unimportant, ridicule scientists and those trying to save our community. But then I remember them raging about Muslim terrorists and so many others. COVID gives them no one to hate... they rage at Black Lives Matter while laughing about COVID, they imagine a massive threat from a nonexistent Antifa, but shrug at a virus killing their neighbors and overwhelming their hospitals. Yes, they sacrificed with democrats in WW2. But they could hate the Nazis and the Japanese and the Italians. Their concern is not about attacks on our country or the well being of other Americans. It is about a need to hate, a need to feel superior, a need to attack “the other.” They have politicized COVID because it lets them hate Democrats and scientists. They can’t hate a virus, they can’t rage about their superiority to it. And so they feign superiority to the dead - how many times have they sneered that it is just old people (it isn’t). They NEED the hate. They needed to hate American communists in the 40s/50s and the Russians for decades until now. When the Soviet Union fell, the lost the foundation of their hate. And so they turned on their fellow Americans - the democrats - as the new object of their hate. Then, onto Muslims, then back to democrats. They scream patriotism but hate more than half of their fellow Americans. They scream love America but sneer at sacrificing for it. They don’t care if a lunatic is president, so long as he grants them blanket permission to hate. They won’t hate the virus, they won’t fight the virus. It’s not a person. What set this off today is reading all of the GOP politicians today sneering about Covid and joking about COVID on a day when almost 3,000 people died. To me it struck as the behavior of psychopaths but now I know. They need hate. They would rather hate democrats for trying to save other Americans than to face a virus. They make no sacrifice because there is nothing in it for them no one to hate. It’s easy to hate those saying what we have to do to protect other.

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u/InStride 4d ago

They can’t hate a virus, they can’t rage about their superiority to it.

This bothers me so much. You can absolutely hate a virus if you understand what it is. And you can absolutely rage and gloat about our superiority to it.

The virus fucking sucks. Its part of nature and one of the few types of major threats to humanity as a species. (pandemics, not COVID-19 specifically)

Yet we also had a MAJOR scientific breakthrough coming at the culmination of human ingenuity and research. Billions of hours of manpower went into the point where we arrived to the mRNA vaccine. Thats unreal and we should be popping champagne and crying in awe of our victory.

I hate that Trump was POTUS so much duing the start of the pandemic. Anyone else, even another Republican, would have been better. How he didn't launch off a nationalistic wave of American superiority against the virus is beyond me.

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u/SanityPlanet 4d ago

If a democrat had been president and acted decisively to prevent the disaster, republicans would have cited his success as proof that it was never a big deal in the first place and that all the efforts to stop it were unneeded (and a democrat hoax), while simultaneously citing the deaths that did occur as proof of his utter failure to address the crisis. You know, exactly as they did with the Ebola and SARS crises under Obama. Republicans exclusively argue in bad faith. They will never, ever approach politics with honesty or fairness.

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u/SekhWork Texas 4d ago

This bothers me so much. You can absolutely hate a virus if you understand what it is. And you can absolutely rage and gloat about our superiority to it.

But it can't respond in an upset, emotional way to you doing it, so it has no appeal to them.

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u/CatVideoFest 4d ago

And this is why “The China Virus” and “Kung Flu” were so effective. Gave them something to hate.

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u/rocket_dragon 4d ago

Basically, Republicans refuse to acknowledge the existence of anything they can't gaslight, shoot, or bomb.

See: viruses, climate change

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u/godofchucky 4d ago

And hate is one of the hall mark traits of authoritarians. This a worth a read if your interested

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u/wafflesareforever 4d ago

I see them more as children. A three-year-old will often throw a tantrum if he loses at a game, and he will refuse to accept the defeat, even to himself. On some level, he knows that he lost the game, but accepting the loss is too emotionally difficult for his developing mind to accept, so he lashes out. Republicans are just emotionally stunted and unable to process cognitive dissonance, so they scream and yell and cry foul even in the face of unmistakable evidence that they're wrong.

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u/alphanaut 4d ago

The Big Lie is about maintaining power. The Big Lie is used to:

  • whip up base support for voter suppression laws under the guise of voter integrity
  • de-legitimize Biden
  • keep the right wing populace in a state of anger and agitation - it will enable Republican leadership to engage in extreme behavior and their followers will see such actions as "fully justified" since the election was "stolen".

Expect dangerous things from Republicans and expect their followers to support it blindly. Democracy is not working for them any more. They are moving on to other means to grab power.

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u/greenSixx 4d ago

They just claim Biden cheated as a way to rationalize their own future cheating.

That's why the voter suppression laws.

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u/theatrics_ 4d ago

Which is exactly why they started spreading information about a particular black juror on the chauvin case.

They cried that Democrats and Maxine Waters tampered with the trial by intimidation. No wonder now the jurors are probably legitimately scared to be the target of far right intimidation...

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u/GoldenBrownApples 4d ago

They were claiming voter fraud before anyone even voted. That's how you know they were throwing shade to distract from themselves trying to cheat and win. They're only mad because they underestimated how many real people would actually vote for Biden and they didn't cheat enough to compensate. So now they are trying to make cheating for their side easier in the future.

At least that's my crazy theory that I throw back in my father's face every time he tries to tell me that Biden cheated his way to a win. Republicans are either to incompetent to stop voter fraud they saw coming before anyone voted, or they were cheating but didn't cheat enough so now they're salty. He gets as frustrated as he tries to make me with his stupid logic, as long as I just keep saying the same things over and over again. It breaks my soul, but it's only thing that shuts him up at this point.

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u/clint_sanders 4d ago

Exactly. They love Trump because he lies and they know it. Call them out on their bullshit.

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u/lenzflare Canada 4d ago

Exactly. It's about which message to parrot, which lie to "believe". They get their panties in a bunch about "virtue signaling" because they're constantly doing it for their side.

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u/TheFaster 4d ago

They're acting in bad faith, they want to upset people by claiming he stole the election

Honestly, I'm not so sure about that. I believe we're entering the period where people who have fully ingested the Reagan-era propaganda machine are being elected.

Sure, there's still some clever Cheney-esque actors who are aware of the game, but complete fucking morons like McCarthy, Boebert, Greene, Gaetz, Jordan seem to be becoming the norm.

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u/Fecapult Virginia 4d ago

They've been casting out 'moderates' from the party for at least a decade now, so its unsurprising that Cheney and Romney now find themselves on the outside looking in. Slightly more surprising is their sudden war on their corporate donors, who have the audacity to speak in favor of their bottom line, which no longer aligns itself with a radical right wing entity. The people who profit from the GOP now are the propagandists and demagogues, and they'll continue to ratchet things up until this party is little more than a sponsor of misinformed terrorists.

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u/BrackaBrack 4d ago

Lol Cheney, the woman who threw her own sister under the bus to get evangelical votes is considered a moderate amoung Republicans. Jesus Christ.

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u/Modokon 4d ago

Cheney

When Cheney is too liberal for your party, you are extreme.

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u/bmccorm2 4d ago

I know right!! Not even 12 months i was disgusted with Liz Cheney for going along with this nonsense. No i almost have some sympathy for her.

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u/gweisoserious 4d ago

Romney and Cheney are the last Republicans that demanded at least a little decorum in the party.

Now it's fully degenerated into an all out putrefied megachurch NeoConfederate cult that exists only to spread lies and hate and does so shamelessly and openly now. Conservatives that refused to get on the Trump meme Q train have the choice of voting Democrat or political exile at this point.

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u/Docthrowaway2020 4d ago

Think you mean "mAgachurch"

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u/TheInfernalVortex Georgia 4d ago

It's funny to hear former Congressman Joe Walsh talk about this regularly. He's always mourning the death of the Republican party.

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u/shutz2 4d ago

Biden didn't win "fair and square".

He won in spite of the other side cheating as hard as they could:

- gerrymandering (while there are a few places where it favors the dems, gerrymandering is overwhelmingly done by the GOP)

- unreasonable voting restrictions that disproportionately disenfranchise minorities who tend to vote democrat

- constant propaganda and lies through Fox News and all the other right-wing media

- churches that should pay tax after getting involved in politics and manipulating voters into believing falsehoods

- corruption at all levels of the electoral process as a result of Citizens United

- the Electoral College skewing the presidential election way too far in favor of smaller states (which tend to lean Republican)

He won IN SPITE OF all this, and many other things I'm probably forgetting. I don't see how any of this could be considered "Fair and Square".

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u/Dynamic_G 4d ago

Don't forget the sabotage of the USPS.

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u/Time-Ad-3625 4d ago

Exactly. Republicans encouraged the insurrection by helping trump set up his stolen election claims. They passed bills to delay counting and failed to pass any legislation to protect elections. Then they allowed trump to lie about the election results and never challenged him. Both parties are not the same. Repubs will do anything for power even overthrow the government or allow the deaths of hundreds of thousands of americans.

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u/Dahhhkness Massachusetts 4d ago

It's this systematic disinterest in behaving according to democratic norms. The GOP sees the Democrats as so illegitimate and dangerous that they are willing to go to virtually any lengths in order to entrench their own advantage. This might be the party’s core animating ideology, at every level: we must win because we cannot let the Democrats win.

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u/heimdal77 4d ago

I don't think it is that complicated. The GOP just wants money and power and they just see the DEMs in the way of getting more of it. All the shit they spew isn't stuff they actually believe or follow. It is just what they use to con their base to help push them towards those two goals.

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u/pgriz1 Canada 4d ago

conglomerate of evil to form and harden

perhaps a more appropriate metaphor is that of a malignant, metastasizing cancer that is spreading through the body and disrupting its functioning. The mutations that allowed this to exist are the distrust of feedback from the rest of "normal" society, the singular belief that their perspective is the only right one, and the focus on their own interests. Cancer cells do not respond to signals from surrounding tissues, cancer cells try to appropriate the nourishing bloodflow for themselves, cancer cells do not much care about the harm they are causing to surrounding tissues and systems. One can see plenty of parallels between the political ideology and the biology.

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u/nekogaijin 4d ago

If you've listened to Republican strategists who have been in on the game since Nixon, the party itself IS a cancer.

Lee Atwater before he died asked for forgiveness, along with Mehlman , the self loathing closeted gay who led the homophobic charge, and finally Stuart Stevens felt compelled to write a tell all.

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/901274491

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u/terry496 4d ago

Is there a link to the Lee Atwater forgiveness request? I'd love to read it.

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u/nekogaijin 4d ago

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1991/04/19/weighing-lee-atwaters-regrets/c78da503-8dc9-4c58-a8d6-d5524ffdfa8e/

Apparently it was an apology, vs asking forgiveness.

<<WEIGHING LEE ATWATER'S REGRETS

As Lee Atwater neared death, he surveyed his life and apologized for some ''less than virtuous acts.'' That apology, which appeared most publicly in an article he wrote with me in the February 1991 issue of Life magazine, apparently disturbed Rowland Evans and Robert Novak {''Atwater Without Apologies," op-ed, April 5}. They raised questions about the legitimacy of the Life piece and the conclusion drawn from it by many obituary writers -- that Lee Atwater, in the end, sought to disown his hard-edged approach to campaign strategy.

The columnists are right that Mr. Atwater's apologies focused on some mean-spirited statements and that, on the whole, he still defended his approach to negative (or ''comparative'' as he called it) politics. I, too, am surprised that the paragraphs from Life in which he defended this strategy were generally left out of the newspaper summations of his career. But the writers are wrong to see his regrets as insignificant and to suggest that the article gave greater emphasis to Mr. Atwater's feelings of guilt than was warranted.

The apologies -- for saying, of Michael Dukakis, that he wanted to ''strip the bark off the little bastard'' and ''make Willie Horton his running mate'' -- were expressed early on in weeks of interviewing, but I was not surprised to hear them. Those who spent the most time around Lee Atwater during his last few months confirmed that the wish to ''get straight with his enemies'' was a deep concern. Before I arrived on the scene, Mr. Atwater had already released copies of a letter he sent to South Carolina Democrat Tom Turnipseed in which he expressed regret for an incident in which he made a crude reference to Mr. Turnipseed's shock therapy. He had written to others too. The expression of these regrets was troubling for some who had worked with him over the years, but no one interfered. Mr. Evans and Mr. Novak are wrong to suggest that anyone other than Lee Atwater had approval over the wording of the Life article. It was his article and no one else's.

The columnists insist that Mr. Atwater was ''proud of the strategy that put Bush in the White House,'' and in my time with him it certainly seemed as if he was. But Lee Atwater was an insatiable student who saw dying as an opportunity to learn that much more about life. His pride in victory was, in the end, informed by a new respect for humanity. Like many readers of the Life piece, George Bush saw his former campaign manager's words as ''enlarging." As one who spent much time around Lee Atwater at the end, I can testify I too was so moved. TODD BREWSTER New York

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u/JustStatedTheObvious 4d ago

Not amazing at all.

They're organized crime. Lying is the least of their problems.

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u/amateurstatsgeek 4d ago

What's disgraceful is that it works. That there are so many despicable, bigoted, ignorant Americans where this stuff is a viable method of winning elections.

America has too many morons who are allowed to vote. Period.

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u/DennisJM 4d ago

When Trump was first nominated and then won the Presidency I wanted to give the GOP the benefit of the doubt that they didn't know what a corrupt liar Trump was, that once they did they would turn their back on him.
The shock is that Trump wasn't a mistake but the epitome of the Republican ideal at present. Even after his failed insurrection they bow to his insane megalomania like he was a god instead of a sociopath.

The GOP today is basically evil and needs to be dealt with as such.

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u/Qwerty1234567890_2 4d ago edited 3d ago

McConnell on February 13:

They did this because they had been fed wild falsehoods by the most powerful man on Earth – because he was angry he'd lost an election.

Former President Trump's actions preceding the riot were a disgraceful dereliction of duty.

McConnell less than a month later when directly asked if he would support Trump again were he to win the nomination:

The nominee of the party? Absolutely.

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u/DennisJM 4d ago

total corruption.

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u/gozba 4d ago

My initial thought was Mitch and the others would drop Trump after the election. But they didn’t, presumably because they saw they could get away with further grifting and elaborate lies this way.

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u/DennisJM 4d ago

Yes, I thought so too. Now I realize that had Trump and his Nazi thugs managed to take over the Capitol and murder the opposition in true Hitler fashion they would have spun it as a triumph of the Right over the evils of Socialism or Communism or whatever shit they were peddling that day.

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u/McDonnellDouglasDC8 4d ago

I'm 1924, Hitler was sentenced to prison in the mildest of Germany's jail sentencing, the equivalent to a minimum security in the contemporary American system, on grounds of treason for a failed coup. He served 8 months of a five year sentence and completed his book while inside.

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u/Janus_Grayden 4d ago

Trump is a lightning rod. Everyone focuses on him and acts like he's operating alone despite the fact that none of what he did could have happened to begin with if he wasn't actively enabled by the Republican Party.

But moderates will act like voting Trump out is a victory unto itself and that the problem has been fixed so they can go about staying blissfully uninformed while the boot presses harder against their neck.

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u/gozba 4d ago

The weird thing is, a lot of people love a boot to the neck

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u/sambull 4d ago

Their plans to deal with the liberals, atheists and socialists are a bit more straight forward and said outright by their Youth Pastors/State Representatives:

The document, consisting of 14 sections divided into bullet points, had a section on "rules of war" that stated "make an offer of peace before declaring war", which within stated that the enemy must "surrender on terms" of no abortions, no same-sex marriage, no communism and "must obey Biblical law", then continued: "If they do not yield — kill all males".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Shea#%22Biblical_Basis_for_War%22_manifesto

After they kill my son and me, it does get a bit murky about what they do to my wife and daughter.. But the intention is clear, and if their fellow extremists like ISIS are any indication it won't be good.

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u/Not-Alpharious 4d ago

Christ this guy is insane

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u/BrackaBrack 4d ago

Holy shit, that wiki is quite a read. Insane that this guy was in office for 12 years.

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u/greenSixx 4d ago

Lol, the incel recruitment strategy.

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u/growlingbanana Oregon 4d ago

That’s not true. They openly accept racists, bigots, and antisemitics too. They’ll even give them leadership roles.

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u/TreeRol American Expat 4d ago

Let's not forget Romney's Presidential campaign, during which he lied at a Trumpian pace. 917 lies during the 2012 campaign, by the count of MSNBC's (formerly Washington Monthly's) Steve Benen: https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/chronicling-mitts-mendacity-vol-xli-msna199666

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

At least he wasn't shouting about Obama being a Muslim born in Kenya.

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u/TranquilSeaOtter 4d ago

It's very telling and pathetic that that's how far the bar has to be dropped. Hey, at least Romney wasn't a raging racist! I guess that's miles ahead of the current GOP though.

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u/Janus_Grayden 4d ago

And that's what's dangerous. This country tolerates fascists as long as they're civil in public. By and large, the backlash against Trump had more to do with his lack of decorum than his policies. Everything he enacted was something Republicans wanted to do anyway, he was essentially just a rubber stamp for GOP policy. A more composed version of Trump would have gotten away with all of it and sailed into a second term.

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u/Gladys_Kravitz_ 4d ago

I don't have any thoughts about Cheney or Romney. That story is boring. I'm much more interested in the question of what to do about the tens of millions of Americans who don't want our country to be a democracy anymore and who will stop at nothing to turn the US into a Christian fascist theocracy. The last thing we need is something akin to the red scare of the early fifties. However, there is reason to be alarmed. Evangelicals and extremists of all stripes feel emboldened at this moment. Just go state by state and look at the batshit crazy legislation that's being passed. In TN an anti LGBT bill just passed the House. Teachers must give parents 30 days notice if there is to be any mention of LGBT issues so that parents can opt out. It's not just TN. It's happening all over the US.

And can you imagine what's currently taking place in Arizona with the fraudulent audit, or the fraudit, happening in any other decade of the last century? The Arizona GOP knows it's unethical, immoral and anti-democratic. They don't care. In fact, they revel in the fact that they're making a mockery of our system of government. And it ain't just AZ. It's happening all over the country. Their goal is to make us lose faith in democracy. Did you feel alone and demoralized during the Trump presidency? Alone, demoralized and powerless like you've never felt before? That's one of the primary goals of fascism. Their goal is not only to "own the libs" but to demoralize you. These are your coworkers, neighbors, and sometimes even your own family.

As Dan Carlin has taught us in his Hardcore History podcast, societies often don't realize they're at an inflection point. Nobody saw WW1 coming until it was too late. It feels like we're at a hinge point in US history.

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u/FordMan100 4d ago

Republicans also won't admit that so far Biden has done a better job than Trump and the economy is better under Biden at this time compared to Trump the same time into his presidency.

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u/gweisoserious 4d ago

Their best gaff so far was Biden falling up some stairs...

Good thing Trump never did anything like that when he went up to AF1 with toilet paper on his shoe, or leaving an opened umbrella on the stairway because he was literally too stupid to figure out how to close it.

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u/FormerLurker3 4d ago

Or that time he insisted repeatedly that a deadly virus was a political hoax and half a million Americans died in a year because his voter base actually believed him and refused to take basic steps to slow the spread of said virus?

Cause that was a pretty darn embarrassing gaff...

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u/BonScoppinger 4d ago

toilet paper on his shoe

I'm pretty sure that was his tax return

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u/pizzafourlife Michigan 4d ago

nah, the toilet paper had stuff on it

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u/stonedandlurking 4d ago

Remember when trump couldn’t drink water without using both hands?

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u/averyconfusedgoose 4d ago

Plus the falling up stairs thing was stupid. They wanted to ise it as "see biden is way to old and senile to even walk up stairs" but it was just him tripping he got right back up and moved decently fast up the rest of the stairs. And also your right they can't find anything real to complain about so they keep grasping at straws and complaining about how the left is canceling dr seuss/Mr potato head.

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u/97sundevil 4d ago

If you're a Republican who wants to be censured by your party, all you have to do is tell the truth.

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u/cindypee 4d ago

They were a little slow on the uptake but they're STARTING to get the jist of it I do believe.

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u/cotton2631 4d ago

My husband is 73. He registered to vote in 2016 because of Trump. He wanted to do his part to keep this dishonest man out of office. Now my husband believes the GOP can only win by cheating. He was afraid Trump was going to win in 2020 as he watched the election results. He was screaming that he would never vote again because the election was fixed.

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u/opinion_isnt_fact New Mexico 4d ago edited 3d ago

For the love of god—the RNC is splitting the optics of their “big lie” deliberately.

Every time Romney or Liz gets booed, they keep another sympathetic republican voter worried about “the party”. Meanwhile Gaetz and Greene are about to do a nationwide tour to pick up the popular RNC vote.

Both of them —

  1. Are still on the RNC ticket alongside Trump.

  2. Aren’t speaking out against Jim Crow 2.0.

  3. Voted with Trump 85% and 93% of the time. Liz even beat Gaetz’s record.

The RNC are the country’s experts at politic. And now they have machine learning to crunch the data in real time and get a feel of public opinion every time one of us “upvotes” ... ahem ...

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u/s604567 4d ago

Didn't Lindsey Graham literally back away from trump when the insurrection happened? Are we not to interpret that as acknowledging Biden won?

Then of course, he slithered back to his master.

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u/midgetman433 New York 4d ago

Didn't Lindsey Graham literally back away from trump when the insurrection happened?

and then he remembered he got elected from South Carolina.

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u/Exzodium South Carolina 4d ago

Don't remind me.

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u/I_W_M_Y South Carolina 4d ago

We can't get rid of this shit stain. I still think the same person that was willing to screw with another states election wouldn't think twice about his own in his own state.

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u/lenzflare Canada 4d ago

It was quite the thing to see him nervously acknowledge the horrible reality in a slightly off kilter speech. Only to see him realize it's just the new normal and realign.

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u/Jimbob0i0 Great Britain 4d ago

"Well I say enough is enough!"

A day or so later...

"President Trump is being unfairly singled out by the liberals who messed with Georgia laws just to get elected" (paraphrasing shit)

Sigh...

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u/Summebride 4d ago

The Republican/Tea Party/NRA/Russia/Qanon/GOP has been a party of liars since before all of us were born. They're just doing it more transparently and pathetically of late.

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u/Yurdahil 4d ago

Exactly this. I don't even live in the US, but for reference I recently rewatched a simpsons episode (where sideshow Bob gets elected as mayor) and if a simpsons episode that aired in 94 made fun of the same aspects about the republican party that are criticized nowadays, that indicates this being part of the republican image for quite a long while.

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u/Lurker-DaySaint Utah 4d ago

I'd have never pegged Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney for "the people in the room with spines" but here we are

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u/emcdonnell 4d ago

Both Romney and Cheney were happy to go along with everything that got the GOP to its current state. I appreciate that they have finally stood up but it’s not like the problem just started on Jan 6. It has been decades in the making.

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u/Ex_Machina_1 4d ago

Lets just call it what it is. The Republican party are a bunch of white, power hungry, racist christians who want America to go back to the time where black people were slaves. The very fact that they can't be racist without impunity anymore has them ready to go to war.

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u/cjpotter82 4d ago

The GOP is no longer a political party, it's a huge cult of personality built around an absolute abomination of a human being. Anyone who doesn't debase and humilate themselves at the altar of Trump isn't welcome. It's pathetic, frightening and bewildering.

I will never truly understand how so many people could worship such an irredeemable sack of garbage.