r/news May 17 '21

Israel-Palestine: US blocks UN statement for third time in a week

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/17/no-us-action-after-third-unsc-meeting-on-israel-palestine
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u/thebolts May 17 '21 edited May 17 '21

The article doesn’t mention it but it probably has something to do with making sure the $735million US arms sale to Israel that just got approved by the Biden Administration pass.

If they didn’t block the UN it might’ve created a legal obstacle.

Adding:

The bulk of the proposed sale is of Joint Direct Attack Munitions, or JDAMS, kits that transform so-called “dumb” bombs into precision-guided missiles.

Congress was notified on May 5 of the commercial deal in which Boeing will provide the weapons to Israel. But some Foreign Affairs lawmakers were caught off guard over the weekend when they first learned of the sale,

“We're lucky to catch this weapons sale,” a Democratic aide who works on the committee told Power Up. “There's zero transparency on the House Foreign Affairs Committee and sensitive deals are regularly approved without scrutiny,” the aide added of the committee chaired by Rep. Gregory W. Meeks (D-N.Y.).

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u/FreeRadical5 May 17 '21

We just printed several trillion dollars of extra stimulus. 0.735 billion sounds like it'll have no sway on decisions at this level.

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u/Snarfmeister2020 29d ago

Likely more about what specific groups/people are enriched by that sale.

Nobody cares if US debt is reduced by a hair. They do care that their buddies and donors and lobbyist's industries make bank.

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u/thebolts May 17 '21

That’s just this month. God knows what the total calculation spent on weapons or funds sent to countries that use disproportionate levels of aggression.

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u/SignificanceClean961 29d ago

Imagine how much good could have been done for the world with the resources wasted on Operation Condor, then realize that the amount they say they spend on imperialism can only be the tip of the iceberg. How much more do they spend on the stuff we've got no idea about?

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u/IRHABI313 29d ago

I remember seeing many times there was an investigation into trillions missing from the Pentagon then 9/11 happened and it got shelved, dont know if its real or a Conspiracy Theory

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u/THE_MAGIC_OF_REALITY 29d ago

Yeah there's about $2T from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that the Pentagon can't or won't produce documentation for.

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u/Lc29dime 29d ago

I assume it's all black sites and embezzlement

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u/Accmonster1 29d ago

No Rumsfeld and Bush told us time and time again there are no secret black sites wink

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u/Grizzly_Berry 29d ago

They're not a secret to the pentagon!

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u/Electronic_Bunny 29d ago

I assume it's all black sites and embezzlement

Probably, "The Forever War" does a great job at showing how millions were thrown at militias along with the "public relations" projects building schools/hospitals.

There was a quote of a senator going out to meet a contractor on site. He told him that in the states "It would be insane to think of this kind of money being thrown around. No one back home would ever be handed 15 million a week and told to burn through it; but thats what you all expect us to do here".

The contractors were very open about it:

"Sometimes its just more useful to throw the money at local militias to get them to target other neighborhoods outside the green zones.

Why spend all this money rebuilding a school that might be blown up again next month. I rather just give it to them as a bribe to go blow up some other area than spending more in constant repairs"

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u/Electronic_Bunny 29d ago

dont know if its real or a Conspiracy Theory

The missing of trillions from the pentagon's budget and funds does happen.

I personally think its a leap to then say they announced it right before the attack to help distract away from it.

If the pentagon said they were missing that kind of money today, it would get a media highlight and then forgotten about as no countermeasures are made.

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u/Accmonster1 29d ago edited 29d ago

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/september-11-9-11-twin-17115592

Rumsfeld announced it the day before a 16 foot hole was left by a Boeing 737

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u/Electronic_Bunny 29d ago

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/september-11-9-11-twin-17115592

Rumsfeld announced it the day before a 16 foot hole was left by a Boeing 737....somehow

I know, I literally was talking about that announcement when I said "they announced it right before the attack"; but just the coincidence isn't enough for me personally.

They had an immense amount to gain by announcing it when they did, and even if it was a false flag attack; but ultimately after 20 yrs of being critical of it personally I don't see enough hard proof.

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u/Fredex8 29d ago

There are trillions that are unaccounted for by the Pentagon. Google 'Pentagon trillions' and you'll find endless articles about it saying $21 trillion in 2018 and 35 in 2020. The problem goes back long before that but I don't know about an investigation back in 2001, though it rings a bell. It mostly seems to be accounting adjustments where money is moved around on the books with some of it possibly being counted multiple times. The sort of dodgy accounting you wouldn't get away with as a tax liable business. It doesn't necessarily mean all of that money would have been available to spend on other things though as some of it never existed or is tied up in over valued property. It's missing in the sense that it is unaccounted for, literally.

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u/meatyfingerfun 29d ago

was there not a big sale to Saudi Arabia recently?

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u/Vox_Carnifex 29d ago

I would go as far as to say that the sales haven't stopped (to wherever) since the 80's

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u/thebolts 29d ago edited 29d ago

From the linked article

Former President Donald Trump vetoed three resolutions passed by Congress in 2019 to stop arms sales benefiting Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates after the House and Senate voted to block the arms deals worth more than $8 billion.

I would add that the Biden administration had a chance to stop this deal when they came in but chose to allow the sales to go through

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u/JcbAzPx 29d ago

Tell that to the defense contractors that the sale is meant to enrich.

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u/purchase_GME_hodL 29d ago

Yea. It’s nothing. It’s a front

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u/RedemptionX11 29d ago

Maybe you can help me understand this ..

These arms sales.. is it like Boeing or whoever is selling directly to the Israeli government and Biden's admin approved the sale? Or is it like the US government is selling directly to Israel?

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u/Fuzzylogik 29d ago

so it's like US government money is laundered by Israel for military industrial complex, and Israel gets free weapons, if I am getting that right?

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u/Sk-yline1 29d ago

This money could have gone to stimulus checks and instead it’s going towards tiny Palestinian corpses

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u/Gravybone 29d ago

Can we please stop naming the sitting administration for this kind of crap and just say “the US government”?

I don’t say this as a Biden apologist, but because It detracts from the perpetual nature of US foreign policy.

Who cares if it’s Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, etc, when they’re all just following a consistent line of foreign policy that dates back at least to WWII.

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u/gravvs 29d ago

It’s important for democrats to hear out loud that their party isn’t the plucky good guy fighting against evil.

All US presidents are warmongers.

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u/indigo_tortuga 29d ago

Are these the rockets they use in their impressive iron dome?

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u/pseudorandomnym 29d ago

No, Iron Dome is produced domestically in Israel. JDAMs aren't actually rockets, just guided bombs. ETA: They're probably what Israel is using in its airstrikes.

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u/W_Anderson May 17 '21

Israel should be able to support itself by now.

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u/BasroilII May 17 '21

As the only nation with nuclear weapons that has neither international oversight or sanctions against it, I would agree.

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u/chickensmoker 29d ago

Plus a thriving economy in one of the most profitable trade routes in the world

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u/H2HQ 29d ago edited 29d ago

Israel's economy is booming these days.

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u/chickensmoker 29d ago

Not only that, but they're the only place a lot of anti-Muslim nations and businesses will trade with and through in the middle east. So they get so much commerce it's kinda unreal. Not to mention they're the last stop for most boats heading to the Suez.

Basically they're in a position where they make so much money as a nation that no other country outside of the Islamic world cares what they do

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u/S_204 29d ago

Huh, it's almost like the pivot point of one of the busiest trade routes in the history of mankind is a valuable piece of land or something like that. A place people might even fight over?

At the beginning of the story, that's what this is all about....

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u/sanemaniac 29d ago

A place that might be worth investing 4 billion dollars a year in order to maintain a foothold. Huh, almost like support for a nation like that could have nothing to do with morality, religion, history, or legality, and everything to do with geopolitical reality.

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u/irishspringers May 17 '21

America wants its large military outpost in the middle east

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u/bfhurricane 29d ago

This reminded me of a comment I saw a month ago, had to dig it up. It's a pretty fair assessment of why the US supports Israel in the way it does. Link. Boils it down to nuclear non-proliferation, intelligence, technology, democracy, and defense.

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u/askmeaboutstgeorge 29d ago

This is ass backwards.

The US has ALMOST zero military presence in Israel. The presence we have in Israel is primarily to help them with the Iron dome.

We do however have significant outposts in Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, the UAE, Iraq, Egypt, and Oman.

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u/THE_MAGIC_OF_REALITY 29d ago

Israel IS the outpost. The whole idea is the US doesn't need a military presence there because Israel will happily attack anyone the US asks in return for hundreds of billions of dollars worth of arms deals and almost complete immunity to international law.

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u/Anary8686 29d ago

Israel wasn't (officially) involved with the overthrow of Saddam or the campaign against ISIS. They don't help the US unless they're acting out of pure self-interest.

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u/Cytwytever 29d ago

It's in Israel's "self-interest" to bomb nuclear weapons manufacturies in really stable states like Iraq and Iran. And it's in Jordan's, Saudi Arabia's, Egypt's, Kuwait's, etc. interest as well. It is easier for them to have Israel prevent their Arab or Persian brothers from acquiring nukes than to deal with it themselves.

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u/Lc29dime 29d ago

This person gets it.

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u/H2HQ 29d ago edited 29d ago

This is stupid. In all the invasions, operations, strikes, etc... Israel has been used exactly 0 times.

TURKEY has been used literally thousands of times.

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u/casualinteger 29d ago

Allies. They're called Allies.

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u/FuglyPrime 29d ago

Less of an ally, more of an attack dog with a dietary preference for muslim people

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u/TunturiTiger 29d ago

What? It's the other way around... Is there a group like AIPAC in Israel? No. But there's AIPAC in US. Has Israel sent thousands of their people and poured billions of dollars to support American wars other side of the planet? No. But US has fought all over the Middle-East, toppling and destabilizing countries that have historically been Israel's enemies... It's the US that has unconditional and bipartisan support for Israel, and it's the US that has poured 146 billion dollars in total to Israel.

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u/Pooploop5000 May 17 '21

Ethnostates are cringe and should never be supported going forward

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u/Fresh__Slice May 17 '21

Can't wait for Kurdistan to be independent and watch the Reddit community make an exception

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u/Pooploop5000 May 17 '21

Its never going to happen.

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u/Fresh__Slice May 17 '21

Yeah it's probably never going to happen, but it probably should. Every ethnic group deserves self determination, but it's hard to achieve without some sort of conflict

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u/handsomeslug May 17 '21

There are way more ethnic groups in the world than there are countries. It's just not feasible for every ethnic group to have a separate country. As long as the said ethnic group is allowed to have a voice in national politics, I don't see why each ethnic group should have a country.

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u/cestabhi 29d ago

Yeah, but I think we have to make a distinction between ethnic groups that are happily integrated in a country and those that are being marginalized and discriminated against.

The ethnic groups that demand a state and are willing to fight for it are generally those that face some form of persecution, in which case either the state should start treating them as equal citizens, or they should have the right to self-determination.

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u/handsomeslug 29d ago

That's a pretty bold generalization, would you say the Catalans are being persecuted against in Spain? Separatist movements can come simply from a nationalistic ideology being prevalent among the said minority population.

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u/Ecstatic-Active-2946 29d ago

Ah yes, promoting ethnostates. That has never gone wrong ever.

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u/populationinversion May 17 '21

World history in a nutshell.

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u/SignorJC 29d ago

Why do ethnic groups deserve self determination? That’s a bold starting point.

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u/Royalstopdrop May 17 '21

Problem is where?

People that support these kind of ideas don't live in the region.

I support Catalunya to be free but I don't live in Spain. Why should I have a say in chopping up Spain?

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u/ThickAsPigShit May 17 '21

I think a country being found to give haven to those who have otherwise been disenfranchised by their current home nation is okay. Its not okay to be exclusionary towards members of that state who dont have the right haplo groups or ethnic background, or whatever. Kurdistan is a fine idea, just as a "Uighurstan" would be super cool for the Uighurs, or a Bostonia so we could finally get rid of Boston. There are a lot of countries with a strong ethnic identity (read: most of them), but they don't put people in open air prisons and call in airstrikes in their cities. Well, most of them don't.

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u/SteveTheMiner May 17 '21

I think a country being found to give haven to those who have otherwise been disenfranchised by their current home nation is okay.

You’ll never believe what led to the foundation of Israel!

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u/cccp_redr4bbit May 17 '21

It’s like you purposefully didn’t mention the latter half of the comment.

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u/ThickAsPigShit May 17 '21

Nah yeah I know, and Israel is a really good idea in theory, just the execution went really poorly. I do know that Jewish people have been persecuted and scapegoated for millennia, and I truly feel awful for them for having to endure that, in an almost endless wave that never really goes away. And I support them having their own country to feel safe and live and do perform their cultural rituals, like wearing capris and going to restaurants named Pizza Paradise. Also, it already exists, and its probably better it does.

However, Israel's government behaves like a bunch of assholes and doesn't treat Palestinians well, even though they live there. Also, I don't like it being a tool of America's own jingoistic and aggressive foreign policy, as I am quite against many of our recent foreign policy decisions.

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u/classicfilmfan 29d ago

The best thing for Israel to do, for their own survival as a Jewish and Democratic sovereign nation-state, would be to pull their troops and their rightwing Israeli Jewish settlers out of West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip and allow the Palestinians in those territories to create their own independent, sovereign nation-state, alongside Israel (and NOT in place of it), so that they too can be normalized and have their own self-determination.

Also, if one really looks at the history of the I/P debacle, they've both done horrific stuff to each other, as well.

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u/Interrophish 29d ago

and that new Palestinian state will last about ten seconds before they bomb israel again, israel invades and military occupies it

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u/hcwt 29d ago

The naïveté is really incredible isn't it?

Israel honestly has some of the fewest civilian casualties out of any modern military force. But people want to act like it doesn't face constant open hostility just for existing.

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u/Humanoid_bird 29d ago

be to pull their troops and their rightwing Israeli Jewish settlers out of West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip and allow the Palestinians in those territories to create their own independent, sovereign nation-state, alongside Israel

They already did that in Gaza back in 2005.

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u/counterboud 29d ago

I thought that Hamas was opposed to a two state solution however? I think that’s the crux of the issue. A two state solution has seen less resistance from Israel than Palestine.

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u/Fresque May 17 '21

Formosia would be gud for Argentina

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u/I_Mr_Spock May 17 '21

If East Turkestan/Xinjiang ever becomes independent (highly unlikely) that’s another place begging for an exception lol

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u/minecraft1984 29d ago

You forgot tibet Autonomous region

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u/grizzlyadamshadabear May 17 '21

Islamic Republic of....Islamic Republic of....Islamic republic of...Islamic of...think there is at least of dozen of those

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u/populationinversion May 17 '21

Europe and Asia are filled with ethnostates. People fought for centuries for their identity and their land. You American point of view is not understood there.

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u/swoonpappy May 17 '21

The balkans have entered the chat.

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u/SavoryScrotumSauce May 17 '21

Almost every single nation-state in the world started as an ethnostate.

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u/TheBerethian May 17 '21

Yah. The West is an exception more than it is the rule, in terms of multiculturalism.

Most other countries are pretty monolithic. Japan for example is almost wholly monoethnic.

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u/Fyrefawx May 17 '21

It’s almost as if an island country with a high population and strong economy had little use for immigrants. That is already starting to change with the low birth rate and urbanization.

Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, etc..

There are many Asian nations that are extremely diverse. There aren’t many nations who are actively trying to be ethnostates.

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u/Lychee-Kindly May 17 '21 edited May 17 '21

They are only supported against Muslims around the world. Double standards at it's best.

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u/Greekfreedomfighter May 17 '21

Cuz if there was Palestine it wouldn't be an ethnostate like majority of the Arab nations....

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u/ikeoni 29d ago

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u/the_tico_life May 17 '21

Israel wouldn't have ever needed to exist if Jewish people weren't facing centuries of persecution, across Europe and the Arab world. How soon people forget.

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u/classicfilmfan 29d ago

The Jews are a tiny minority here in the United States (i. e. 7.5 million, or 2-3% of the United States population), and in every other country in the world. Israel's the only Jewish-majority country in the world. The state of Israel came into being because there are so few Jews in the world, generally, and because the Jews were not wanted in the countries that they resided in, either.

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u/classicfilmfan 29d ago

One has to bear in mind, however, that not having any countries of their own to fall back on is what made the Jews so vulnerable to over 2, 000 years of persecution in the first place, and ultimately led to the Inquisition and, finally, the Holocaust. That's what made the creation of the State of Israel necessary--to normalize the Jews, so that they'd be a little more like everybody else, and not constantly be martyrs, or whatever.

The Palestinians also need their own independent, sovereign nation-state for similar reasons. The Palestinians also had a history of oppression by the Ottoman Empire, and the Arab countries, and are still facing oppression, not only by Israel, but by the Arab countries, none of who like them or want them around, either. Nobody in the region likes the Palestinians in West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem, which is why an independent, sovereign nation-state needs to be created that's run by and for Palestinians, alongside Israel, and not in place of it.

If the Palestinians had their own independent, sovereign nation-state, and were thereby able to run their own lives, they, too, would be normalized, and protected against future oppression and exploitation.

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u/stripedphan May 17 '21

Our support is absolutely moronic. They have universal healthcare. We don't. Why the fuck are we funding them when we can't even afford healthcare here at home?

Stop wasting our tax dollars, Congress.

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u/IrishLad2002 29d ago

The UN is useless if one nation can just veto the whole thing.

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u/milimiri 29d ago

IMO, UN cannot do anything even there is no veto power. It' sad though.

An example is League of Nations on Manchurian Incident. The League voted 42-1 against Japanese invasion on China. The only result is that Japan left the League.

Suppose UN security council does not have the veto rule and it issued a statement against US recognition of Jerusalem as Israeli capital, I would guess Trump would just quit UN.

The veto power is simply based on the assumption that it does not have the power to really fight against a great power. Therefore instead of let the organization failed in one crisis, it would be rather beneficial to give the veto power and keep every one in the room. Then it can at least do something good in the crisis no great power is interested in. For example, 1999 East Timorese crisis.

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u/counterboud 29d ago

Yep, that’s always been the problem. There is zero consequence to going against the UN if you are a major power, and the US is still the only one willing and able to be “world cop”, so if the US isn’t on board then nothing happens.

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u/Shanwerd 29d ago

The UN is not some kind of world police, never has been, never was supposed to be.

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u/Sa404 29d ago

US, China, and Russia*

Are you forgetting who are the three horsemen of UN veto?

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u/IamMyles 29d ago

Team America, World Police. We bring the freedom to you, whether you ask for it or not.

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u/OccasionallyClueless 29d ago

It’s not great, but it’s also the only thing that stops the UN from being entirely useless.

The alternative would be the UN but without any of the major powers being involved. Which means very limited funding and resources for any resolutions that actually do pass.

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u/DustyFalmouth 29d ago

And when that nation is running and endless bombing campaign on at least 8 countries in the Middle East

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u/siftt 29d ago

Eisenhower called it.

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u/H2HQ 29d ago

This is such a dumb comment. The function of the UN is not to be the world police.

The UN prevents war by facilitating DIALOGUE, not ENFORCEMENT actions. The UN veto prevents nuclear war by stopping multiple nuclear powers from ganging up on any one nuclear power under the cover of UN "authority".

It works exactly as intended.

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u/getreal2021 29d ago

The UNs point is to bring countries together. Not solve the problems of the world.

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u/Complex-Stress373 29d ago

Which means that UN is corrupted by design. Also even with a veto USA bombed Irak in search of massive destruction lies. So UN is useless

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u/jezra May 17 '21

Country that promotes "peace in the middle east" by selling millions of dollars worth of weapons to the middle east, refuses to condemn the bombing of children in the middle east... news at 11 :/

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u/honeybakedham1 29d ago

It’s actually a typo. We meant “pieces in the Middle East” so keep bombing till there’s nothing left /s

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u/WordsRHardd 29d ago

Based on domestic policy, it's very clear the same country believes that more guns means "more accountability"

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u/siftt 29d ago

Meh, the too many guns argument starts to not look so great when you see citizens of Myanmar gunned down in the street when they are using bow and arrows.

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u/rickk79 May 17 '21

Impartial to the end /facepalm

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u/fatcIemenza May 17 '21

I didn't think it was possible to have foreign policy as bad as the last administration but Biden seems intent on proving me wrong

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u/Lamont-Cranston May 17 '21

Reagan supported Apartheid South Africa to to the end, vetoed the Anti-Apartheid Act which both houses then overturned because there was enough public support and pressure which the Palestinians need today.

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u/ClassicResult May 17 '21

Aside from faffing around on the Iran deal, the two parties have essentially identical foreign policy, and have for decades.

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u/DeceiverX May 17 '21

Why anyone thinks they wouldn't is beyond me.

The parties genuinely are both problems and if you put domestic social talking points aside (where shit never seems to get done anyways), they're basically exactly the same.

Speaking strictly for politicians:

If Republicans wanted a better export economy and tax and Healthcare system and middle class, they'd give corporate tax breaks to domestic manufacturing and be on board with Healthcare reform while closing ability to bank offshore. They'd encourage green energy to reduce dependence 9n foreign oil etc.

If Democrats cared about economic liquidity for future generations they wouldn't be behind massive inflation and globalization or forced regime changes (see: Arab Spring), would encourage domestic businesses, actually have a spine against energy companies to both force output minimums and green standards, and similarly close the holes offshore.

It's all self-interest. Both love war, both hate the common person, and both are filled with assholes who know to just drive superficial wedge issues as deep as they can to prevent people from looking too deep into their insider trading and absurd wealth hoarding.

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u/MrGraveRisen May 17 '21

global shitbags and bullies since vietnam

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u/rickk79 May 17 '21

US foreign policy doesn't change much. Trump just uncovered it with his stupidity. Other than that it has always been the same, except for relationship with Europe.

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u/TheOwlsLie May 17 '21

The US isn’t impartial, they’re supporting Israel

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u/PM_Me_Yourbutts May 17 '21

Yeah, I was hoping that Joe Biden would surprise me here but he can go fuck himself.

It seems like even the best American Presidents are going to fuck up whenever it comes to the ME.

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u/daaliida May 17 '21

I’m not sure Joe Biden falls into the “best of American presidents” category

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u/Disk_Mixerud 29d ago

Maybe some people who supported him actually started to believe some of the right-wing propaganda about how radically liberal he was. He was clearly a conservative (as in maintaining pre-Trump status quo) candidate. It's like people were so relieved to just have a normal president again, they forgot that our "normal presidents" still have some major problems.

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u/OccasionallyClueless 29d ago

They forgot we had “normal” presidents leading up to Trump. We are on track for another by the end of this decade, and you better hope the next one is incompetent too.

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u/halisme May 17 '21

Biden is a wet rag, which was preferable to the cum soaked rag in that you aren't certain as to why it is wet.

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u/vanishplusxzone 29d ago

Biden hasn't been president for long enough for you to determine what he's soaked with yet.

Let's not do the whole Obama Nobel Peace Prize thing again.

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u/BlueMoblin May 17 '21

https://youtu.be/FYLNCcLfIkM

Old but relevant. Israel has been an American proxy state for a long time. Our current situation isn’t an accident but a long term imperialist strategy.

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u/NineteenSkylines May 17 '21

What’s scary is how much of Europe is falling in line. I hope that Israel-Palestine doesn’t become a front in a global racial Cold War between the West and the rest.

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u/RapNVideoGames May 17 '21

You really thought Europe would take the Arab side? With the way they handle immigrants…

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u/NuttingtoNutzy May 17 '21

I like the spin you are taking on fear of a race war.

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u/saab__gobbler May 17 '21

You're really not going to like this then (I sure as fuck don't).

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u/Dman125 May 17 '21

What makes him so great to begin with? Anyone was an upgrade but I’m sick of people treating him like some hero. We’re morons for perpetuating the terms for these geriatrics, what the fuck makes us think they’re going to make moves different from the last 30 years of their careers?

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u/Klutzy_Piccolo 29d ago

He's not Trump. That's literally all he had going for him.

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u/Phnrcm 29d ago

Just like how Trump's not Hillary.

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u/JCandle 29d ago

And this attitude is how we get Trump again.

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u/tokyo_engineer_dad 29d ago

He was surprising a lot by doing a little more than just keeping the lights on which is basically all he promised. Pandemic response, recovery, economic stimulus, healthcare, etc. they’ve all been pretty solid.
However nothing was a challenge up to now. It was all mostly low hanging fruit.
This is stupid though because the margins we beat Republicans by were razor thin. If Republicans decide to lump with the minority of Democrats who are critical of him for Israel response, this could be the perfect storm to lose us the mid terms.

The real question is how does the American public view this? Biden will always side with the American public and if more than half of Democrats believe “who cares about Palestine?” then I’m honestly not surprised.

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u/LittleJerkDog May 17 '21

Perhaps the power behind this is stronger than Biden?

And no I don’t mean “the Jews” I just mean the establishment within the US is extremely pro-Israel.

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u/zxern 29d ago

More like pro military industrial complex.

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u/iceman8571 May 17 '21

Imagine thinking Biden is in the “best American Presidents” category? Delusional.

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u/manincheeta 29d ago

in a thread about him approving mass death for profit..

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u/daaliida May 17 '21

Who is this “US” person? Surely if something like this happened a year ago the headline would’ve read “Trump blocks UN statement for third time in a week”

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u/theD0UBLE May 17 '21

This is a news source partially funded from the Qatari government. Which is an Islamic state. So while yes the media does defend Biden more, your argument here holds like 0 weight here.

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u/williamis3 29d ago

Al Jazeera is widely respected news source.

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u/theD0UBLE 29d ago

Respectable enough. But my point is an Islamic news site would definitely not be defending the us/biden for our actions in the UN defending Isreal over Palestine. Kapeesh?

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u/Lamont-Cranston May 17 '21

So this is how Biden is very concerned for both sides.

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u/sirmoveon 29d ago

Both sides mean Israel and US economy

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u/Suitable_Reindeer_13 29d ago

If this was Trump everyone would be up in arms.

Biden is getting a free pass.

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u/Boston_Bruins37 29d ago

If it was trump there would be front page articles on how trump is personally murdering children with his bare hands

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u/Suitable_Reindeer_13 29d ago

It’s the Obama years all over again, no one batted an eyelid when he droned families.

I hate Trump, but people were literally blaming him for the deaths caused by police brutality.

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u/Boston_Bruins37 29d ago

Yup I honestly hate the double standard in the media

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u/alonetogetherandgods 29d ago

Not a part of the "left," but I wasn't a Trump supporter, and I voted for Biden, but I never begrudged Trump about his stance on this shit going on over there. I say that we cut ties and let them deal with it themselves. If they want to shoot rockets at themselves, let them. It sucks for the civilians, but we are the fucking world police.

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u/bjornbamse 29d ago

Everyone missing the fact that Arab states think that nowadays Iran is a bigger threat than Israel. In fact the Arab states and Israel have a common enemy - Iran. Palestinians siding with Iran doesn't win them support in the Arab world.

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u/zxern 29d ago

Shhh don’t add nuance to the fight!

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u/bjornbamse 29d ago

While we are at it - Al Jazeera is a Qatari and funded by the Emir of Qatar. Qatar has close relationship with Iran. Of course Al Jazeera is presenting a pro-Palestinian point of view. It is not a coincidence that the leadership of Hamas resides in Qatar.

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u/lameexcuse69 29d ago

So both parties are the same sometimes...

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u/H2HQ 29d ago edited 29d ago

Sort of. The GOP is at least honest about supporting Israel.

The Democrats only do it behind closed doors. We need our own party.

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u/ta9876543203 29d ago

The same UN where Saudi Araby is the head of women's rights?

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u/FleeingMyLife 29d ago

How do we hold our own government accountable?

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u/ExtraLucky13 29d ago

Find better leaders, vote them into office.

But you'd kind of have to dismantle A LOT of the current agenda on how officials are elected before you can even try that.

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u/BradMarchandstongue 29d ago

If we tried to change our constitution in anyway outside of the proper amendment process, a civil war would be almost inevitable

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u/yaosio 29d ago

We can't. The rich control the country.

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u/BOYGENIUS538 29d ago

Calling your federal rep is a start

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u/MR-LIBERIA 29d ago

Geez, that article isn't biased at all...

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u/KuhjaKnight May 17 '21

An absolute embarrassment. Israel has established themselves as an ethnofascist regime intent on eradicating Palestinians, and the government of the US is allowing it. I’m sickened by my government’s handling of this situation.

I fully believe both sides are beyond shit, for a variety of reasons, but Israel is beyond the pale now. The minute we stop supporting Israel will be the minute this shit stops. Israel acts the way they do because they are protected by the US. Israel is surrounded by enemies that are chomping at the bit to take them down, but are held back by our tacit support.

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u/jackcatalyst May 17 '21

Wait, so what do you mean by "take them down"

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u/[deleted] May 17 '21

How about not giving them billions of my tax dollars? That would be a good start.

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u/corkyskog May 17 '21

Maybe we should try the "it's pretty obvious if you think about it accord"

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u/Redpanther14 29d ago

So you think that the Israelis should be invaded by their neighbors. That’ll make what’s happening in Gaza look like child’s play.

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u/zxern 29d ago

Kinda hard to judge Israel here, if someone launched 100’s of rockets into the US indiscriminately they would have launched a 40 year war against their neighbor.

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u/thelonepirate_ May 17 '21

what the fuck is this veto bullshit, why does US have the privilege to just reject something what about the 200+ other countries' opinion, like srsly who even made this dumbass rule

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u/CarpetbaggerForPeace May 17 '21

None of the initial creators of the UN would have joined if they didnt have veto power.

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u/hcwt 29d ago

The UN isn't about any of this human rights garbage.

It's purely about a forum for nuclear powers to peaceably resolve serious conflicts before they escalate.

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u/LITERALCRIMERAVE May 17 '21

The UN was made to prevent a world war. Nothing else. Working as intended.

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u/Mist_Rising May 17 '21

Veto is a reserved power for the 5 permanent seats on the united nations security Council, aka ahe big 5: US, France, UK, Russia, China. It allows them to prohibit the UNSC, or its enforcement wing, from doing anything.

The big 5 (originally the US, USSR, Taiwan China, France and Uk) were picked because they were the biggest independent forces in WW2 on the allied side.

The idea was that given their immense supposed power (Taiwan sorta got its ass handed to them by CCP China) if they disagreed with an action, they might end up fighting a war with each other, ghe very thing the UN was meant to stop.

There are flaws, they're permanent, and no new members are added. As such when Taiwan fled to Taiwan, it could dictate whole world events (till the US yanked its seat for CCP) and the same goes for.British and French empires collapsing - they remained. The Soviet Union gave Russia its vote. However Russia was in no way shape or form a power at the time.

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u/course_you_do May 17 '21

I think it's worth mentioning that the 5 permanent members of the UNSC also form the 5 Nuclear Weapon States in the NPT.

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u/Mist_Rising May 17 '21

That wasn't relevant in 1945 though.

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u/AvalancheZ250 May 17 '21

Taiwan fled to Taiwan

Just a heads up, the KMT party controlling the government known as the Republic of China (ROC) fled to Taiwan island.

I'm mentioning this because "Taiwan fled to Taiwan" just sounds a little silly in English.

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u/Mist_Rising May 17 '21

Ya but I forgot the party initials and refuse to call the 1940s KMT a republic of anything.

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u/MrMoonBones May 17 '21

Was to prevent the major powers from just walking away when the rabble outvoted them as was the case in the UN's predecessor the League of Nations.

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u/thefray777 May 17 '21

I’m not a fan of it, but all of these countries have/had large and powerful enough militaries to start catastrophic wars. If the 5 nations with veto power don’t agree with something, there’s a good chance they’ll just go to war to stop it. The idea is to avoid war, because no one else has the power to police the 5 most powerful nations.

Obviously other countries (and some citizens within the 5 countries) wish everyone were equal, but unfortunately that’s not how it works.

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u/IrishPigskin May 17 '21

If you think the US abuses the veto rule in the UN - wait until you hear about what Russia and China have vetoed...

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u/uncle-fresh-touch May 17 '21

Because the US is a global superpower.

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u/RBGs_ghost 29d ago

The US is the global superpower.

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u/kingoosha 29d ago

Got to love this circle jerk of hot takes. Redditors trying to win a Pulitzer Prize here. Good grief.

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u/Horn_Python 29d ago

why do so few contries have so much power in the UN?

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u/SadLlamasOnMars 29d ago

Biggest guns in the 40's

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u/OccasionallyClueless 29d ago

True but Germany was a loser and they don’t let losers on the council. Has-beens are okay, though.

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u/H2HQ 29d ago

To prevent nuclear war.

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u/Murica4Eva May 17 '21

Without knowing what the statement said it's impossible to judge if the veto was appropriate

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u/ilikesteel 29d ago

They didn't mention Hamas rockets at all, which is why the Biden administration didn't agree to it.

In my opinion, even if you're a critic of Israel, this is important information to leave out from the context.

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u/happyscrappy 29d ago

If it really says "cease fire on both sides" then they would include Hamas rockets.

But the story from Egypt said that Hamas would not agree to stop their rockets. Which means no cease fire is possible.

Still seems odd that a statement calling for a cease fire could not be released anyway.

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u/thefoolofemmaus May 17 '21

Just a reminder that Al Jazeera is wholly owned by the Al Thani family, the rulers of Qatar. Their reporting should really be given a skeptical eye.

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u/Lamont-Cranston May 17 '21

Do you think this didn't happen?

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u/De_chook May 17 '21

Based on my travels, and watching over the years Al Jazeera is pretty factual. But like any has its slant. I do treat it with scepticism, but i do for all mefia outlets. I take your point.

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u/thefoolofemmaus May 17 '21

Yeah, my concern is that people will confuse them with a minimally state funded, mostly independent outlet like PBS or BBC. They are directly controlled by a very authoritarian regime that at any point can slip in their own propaganda.

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u/De_chook May 17 '21

Again, I understand your rationale, but as a long time casual watcher whilst I worked in the middle east, and compared with the same stories from say BBC, CNN and similar, the facts seem to be reported similarly, with exceptions. They dislike Saudi Arabia (and the feeling was mutual). And the reporting reflected that

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u/I_W_M_Y May 17 '21

I trust them more than something like Fox news any day of the week.

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u/Wasabii12315 29d ago

The US has a simple policy where it will block any UN statement on Israel if it does not also denounce Hamas the terrorist group ruling Gaza. It would have been easy to include and could then have garnered US support but they knowingly proposed it 3 times without that because they don't care that it won't pass, it was never meant to and is only political theater.

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u/KGeedora May 17 '21

Highly recommend Noam Chomsky's lecture about the US and Israel more or less twisting into the same beast

https://youtu.be/bUsXt8TmVfU

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u/Caffeinetank May 17 '21

Is anyone really surprised by this? The US has been blocking things against Israel and helping things pro-Israel through the UN since they won their war of independence in 1949. As soon as it became a purchaser of American weaponry while they fought countries who used Soviet weaponry, their status was golden.

The current president, being a moderate in Congress since the 1970's is not going to change that stance that the US has. It would be nice to see an actual peace agreement, to see if the 2-state solution would work, but the US doesn't seem interested in forcing either party to come to the table and see where they need to start.

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