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From a blog where a German student described her experience in Kentucky

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u/lichtersee 4d ago

I had a classmate who was German too and was an exchange student in the USA and they’d constantly bully him for being German and the hitler past. Imagine paying thousands of dollars to be at a school in a country you love and dumb children destroy it for you

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u/snakeygirl 4d ago

I had a Norwegian friend in high school who said her family was often mistaken for Germans due to their accents. Apparently they got a lot of dirty looks until her family started to lose the accent.

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u/PsyGuy64 4d ago

I hope at least their flag wasn't mistaken for a confederate flag.

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u/snakeygirl 4d ago

Ugh. I sure hope they didn’t have to deal with their flag being mistaken for the confederate flag!

To be fair my friend apparently started a running inside joke with her family about her being mecha hitler because she thought that people just assumed she was a nazi. Don’t know where the mech part came in.

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u/DISCO_Gaming 4d ago

Wolfenstein 3D probably

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u/Quantentheorie 4d ago

"Oh you're German, hahaha Hitlerjokeholocaust" is a very, very common reaction of people under 25 meeting someone German abroad. But on a university level the Nazi-saluts don't seem to start until people have been drinking.

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u/whty706 4d ago

Can confirm, they definitely start coming out after people start drinking. It's very awkward

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u/Quantentheorie 4d ago

there might be a whole pyschological/sociological field of interest in things that are just one level under the surface of polite society that routinely gets accessed when people are drunk.

Catcalling is also in there. Most people don't anymore sober, but it gets going quickly when people had a second drink.

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u/frogsareverygay 4d ago

I’m a pretty chill guy. I don’t drink that much but once I went on vacation and drank like half a bottle of vodka, I was wasted and I was catcalling and grabbing women’s arms and stuff. Woke up the next day, super ashamed, never drank hard liquor again. It really brought out a ugly side of me which I wasn’t proud of

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u/salty_drafter 3d ago

At least you realized your mistake and chose to face it. A lot of people don't. Good for you.

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u/ellenitha 4d ago

I'm Austrian not German, but you know... same history.

I have an Ex from Mexico who studied music over here. When referring to anyone being bossy or to rules he didn't agree with he used to make the Hitler salute. I'm not sure if he ever understood why everyone was freaking out.

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u/JesusRasputin 4d ago

I hope that I would be strong enough to just tell them to get fucked when that happens to me

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u/BreadyStinellis 4d ago

We had a German exchange student and everyone loved him. He was a great guy. We are also in a very "german" part of the US, quite a few people here speak German at home still, so maybe that has something to do with it.

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u/Cali_Holly 4d ago

I’m from Kentucky. And a Filipino girl was a foreign exchange student & she & I became friendly. She joked about this I’ve popular boy who seemed to like her & we’d giggle about her calling him “Pudgy boy”. And I also showed her a better way to get rid of the dark hairs with a bleaching solution. Lol We exchanged a few letters & once in our 30’s she found me online. It was really nice because she absolutely remembers me fondly as being so nice to her. But weirdly, the students in my small town high school were mostly really nice to her. Even the popular students.

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u/BreadyStinellis 4d ago

Yeah, I was also at a small school in a small town. Every foreign exchange student we had was popular. Especially the hot Brazilian dude, but, ya know, of course he was.

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u/Ricky_Robby 4d ago

We had two German exchange students in my Junior and Senior years, and it never occurred to me to ask if they were Nazis or would vote for Hitler.

It amazes me some of the fucked up shit people come up with.

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u/Steinfall 4d ago

German here. I usually laugh about that jokes and tell people how often their compatriots told me how fucking awesome German military technology was, how brave German soldier were, how they love the discipline etc. Those „German Hitler“ jokes are annoying. Embarrassing for the other country is the fact how many of them admire this part of German history.

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u/Jackm941 4d ago

Its funny because americans exterminated alot of people too... there just still proud of it

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u/Max_1995 4d ago

German here: You still get that "well you're all Nazis anyway"-reaction, especially online

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u/PDXGolem 4d ago

It is weird to me that Northern Kentucky and the Cincinnati Metro was once home to a large German-speaking American population in the 100's of thousands before WW I. There were German-language newspapers, schools, and churches. All gone now.

If the World Wars had not happened the Midwest would likely have a German-speaking population like Quebec has a French-speaking population inside Canada.

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u/Max_1995 4d ago

There actually are a few "German schools" in the US still, that teach (partially) in German and follow a German curriculum.

But yeah, it took a serious downturn (Also why the Brits changed their official royal heritage/name of the "house"). As it is I think the only large German-speaking groups in the US are the Amish with "Plattdeutsch" ("low german")

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u/xXJupiterXx_YT 4d ago

P(f)älzer deutsch

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u/acetylkevin 4d ago

Some northern Mennonites speak Plattdeutsch in their communities, but Amish and many Mennonite communties speak "Deitsch" - a daughter language of the Palatinate dialect with influences from other south and western German dialects as well as English.

Apologies for the info dump, I'm an L2 Deitsch speaker and you can imagine there aren't many places to talk about it online, so I got excited lol

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u/ISNT_A_ROBOT 4d ago

At least hofbrauhaus is still there...

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u/Carpathicus 4d ago

Always funny when something like this happens to me.

I am a black german.

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u/_-__-__-__-__-_-_-__ 4d ago

*African American German

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u/thehecticepileptic 4d ago

I was about to tell a story about a guy from work who was black and from Germany and regularly got these kinds of jokes... are you that guy lol

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u/MsWuMing 4d ago

Well, one of my classmates went on an exchange year in the US and contacted us from there to tell us that his new classmates had just asked him if his parents were voting for Hitler. (In 2010).

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u/Ohitsasnaaaake 4d ago

I had an Austrian substitute teacher once, and a kid in my class asked him “were your parents Nazi’s”, and the teacher looked the kid dead in the eyes, on the edge of tears but clearly very angry, and said loudly “you ask me if my parents were nazis! my parents were killed by the Nazi’s!”, and he stepped out of the room to get some air.

The whole class went quiet. That’s the last time I ever heard a Dumbass Nazi joke in that school.

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u/LadyAzure17 4d ago

This one is so fucking sad and painful. I wish it didn't take that kind of shit to shut idiots up.

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u/thousandpetals 4d ago

On the flip side, I had an American teacher who claimed vague German heritage, changed his name to 'Helmut' and had a picture of Kaiser Wilhelm hung up in the room. In my American high school. None of this was ironic.

Unsurprisingly, he was also a terrible teacher.

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u/Steinfall 4d ago

Year 2001 in the Boston subway. One lady approaching us: „you are from Germany? It this guy Hitler still alive? I think he was terrible“. She was serious about this questions and we guaranteed here that this guy meanwhile must be dead.

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u/beybabooba 4d ago

Oh wow. So the "hitler is still alive" conspiracy is THAT old? Damn i thought it was recently conceived

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u/HessiPullUpJimbo 4d ago edited 4d ago

Tbf that conspiracy theory made more sense back then than it does now. I mean even if Hitler didn't kill himself and survived the war and hid well enough to not be caught later.... He'd had to have lived past the age of 132 to still be alive today.

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u/beybabooba 4d ago

I heard he liked science. Coincidence? Wake up sheeple /s ....lmao what a load of bs some ppl cook up.

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u/3d_blunder 4d ago

It's like they grab a few WORDS, a couple (and no more) NAMES, and just mash them together in any order.

2020 showed my how fucking stupid a LOT of people are, including a sizable minority of Americans. They just don't THINK.

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u/Steinfall 4d ago

I think this lady was not under influence of a CT but just low educated without any understanding for timelines

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u/Ironring1 4d ago edited 4d ago

Are you kidding? It literally goes back to a few minutes after the Soviets said they killed him.

Edit: my bad, Hitler killed himself and the Soviets found the remains. My point about how long people have claimed he was still alive stands, though.

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u/11thstalley 4d ago edited 4d ago

Do you mean when he killed himself? The Soviets reported that they found charred remains and used Hitler’s dental records to identify the body.

EDIT: you’re absolutely correct about the speculation surrounding Hitler’s death.

Stalin conducted a disinformation campaign, even blithely musing in July of 1945 that Hitler was probably living in Spain or Argentina. The US FBI and CIA followed up on several false leads throughout the 1940’s and 50’s and Stalin gloated with the success of misleading the West for political reasons. The Soviets continued to withhold what they knew, disclosing bits of information in piecemeal fashion until what can only be assumed to be full disclosure only in 2010.

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u/yoohjm 4d ago

Year 2010 in the NYC subway. Just came from the airport, big suitcases etc, obviously tourists. Some orthodox jew standing next to me: "where are you guys from?" "Germany" "where's that? Asia?"

To this day I have no idea whether we was kidding.

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u/Ankoku_Teion 4d ago

I'm Irish and living in the UK. In highschool someone asked me unprompted if JFK was my uncle. In 2012.

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u/datboiofculture 4d ago

Well...... we’re waiting!?

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u/Ankoku_Teion 4d ago

For the record, I am not related in any meaningful way to JFK or the Kennedy family.

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u/datboiofculture 4d ago

Did your uncle kill him?

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u/Ankoku_Teion 4d ago

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I am not related in any meaningful way to JFK

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u/Spartan616 4d ago

Ngl, after the first half of that post, I was totally expecting the ra to get a mention, The JFK thing really surprised me

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u/AuroraBoreale22 4d ago

I'm italian, some years ago (2013 I believe) I was with a German friend and we met an american who said something like "I must be very difficult for you to live in those dictatorships"

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u/anonymous8bilx3 4d ago

A collection of questions I got asked, while I've been in the US: (As a German)

  1. Is Hitler still your President?
  2. Do you guys have running water?
  3. Do you guys have Internet?
  4. Why do you guys walk around naked in Germany?
  5. Why are your teeth white? I thought people from eu don't brush their teeth?
  6. Why do you hate the Jews?
  7. Do you have cars or do you use horses?
  8. Germany? Is that in Asia?

I'm not even kidding: the average person in the Philippines is A LOT smarter and better educated than the average US American.

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u/yoku651 4d ago

Some Americans are taught that America is literally the only "free" country in the world. I distinctly remember in as a child in elementary school our teacher would routinely explain that "thousands of people come from all over the world to America because we are free here" basically implying that no other country is free.

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u/icharxel 4d ago

Born and raised in America and yeah, that is the american education system at it's bare essentials. Half the shit i learned about other countries sides of the story, and just other countries in general, i had to learn myself. I was even in AP World History and still was like the "Americanized" version of how things were, rather than the actual shit. I honestly hope to move out of America someday.

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u/Lograts 4d ago

They mean freedom from health care, no gun violence, social security, etc.

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u/brownredgreen 4d ago

In America you are free to starve.

In Soviet Russia, we do not have that freedom

(So sayeth the old joke. Then again, try telling a diff joke and Soviet Russia may have gulag room reservation just for you!)

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u/TheRealAcidMembrane 4d ago

I went to school in the US for a year and my classmates unironically asked me if we moved there to escape the monarchy.

I was extremely surprised that they even knew France had a monarchy at some point in history.

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u/Buckeye_1994 4d ago

That's pretty much the only thing we learn about French history lol

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u/Tsorovar 4d ago

Not the part where they made this whole thing out of getting rid of it?

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u/USBtroika 4d ago

I mean the French gave the US the Statue of Liberty to honour their achievement in declaring independence from a monarchy and forming a democracy. One would have hoped that buys another 30 min in history class.

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u/Lin0712 4d ago

At my US high in Ohio in the 2000s, I think we learned about the French revolutions / Bastille / Napoleon for like a chapter or two in world history. After the US had it's revolution is when the US stops teaching about outside countries' histories, unless you study in university.

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u/IArgueAboutRockets 4d ago

France made good filler material for the boring US stuff between 1800-1860.

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u/Chozly 4d ago

That bit too, a lot. Geography, aristocracy, Beheadings, Napoleon, then democracy, ww1, treaties and culture, ww2, colonial days end (barely), France today.... That's pretty much what everyone knows after us school. Many have much more knowledge of some facet(s).

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u/ask_me_about_my_bans 4d ago

something about a little man with tall guards

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u/Andytheduck02 4d ago

Napoleon was average height for his time, spread the word 👀

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u/ask_me_about_my_bans 4d ago

that's just what a little man would say.

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u/j_coralz 4d ago

Was a German exchange student in 2009/2010 in Southern Indiana. Two of my favorite questions asked (my answers included) were the following:

Them: “So Hitler’s still alive, right?”

Me: “No like he died a few years ago, but his daughter is still alive. She actually lives like a block away from where our house in Germany is!”

Them: “No way, that’s crazy!!”

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Them: “Can people get pregnant in Germany?”

Me: ???

Me: “Yeah no, you actually have to go to Paris in France, which is just a few hours away because Europe is so small, not like the US. That’s why they call it the city of love and romance!”

Them: “No way, that’s crazy!!”

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u/TheGrauWolf 4d ago

Sometimes you just have to steer into the crazy...

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u/literal-hitler 4d ago

Wasn't running until 2012 obviously. Didn't win until 2016.

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u/flubz0r 4d ago

Crazy many people overseas still dont get that even today any sign of nazism is considered not done in europe. The scar of the millions that lost their lives is still healing.

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u/Ann3Nym 4d ago

Well, Swedish people seem to find it hilarious, too. Never seen as many Hitler-Salutes as in my year in Sweden.

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u/PVChapaev 4d ago

God damn it. Sorry about that. Don't know why people here would find it acceptable.

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u/Ann3Nym 4d ago

I suppose it's ignorance. The Swedish didn't really suffer from the Nazis like other people did.

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u/AadeeMoien 4d ago

"Didn't really suffer" is a diplomatic way of saying "sold steel to the nazi war machine for profit".

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u/2OP4me 4d ago

A lot of this “still healing from the scars” has me scratching my head. If you read the armies present at Stalingrad you’ll quickly dispel the myth that Nazi Germany did everything alone. Many, many nations directly, and willingly, helped Germany with the holocaust and took advantage of the situation to settle long standing grudges against certain communities.

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u/Z-W-A-N-D 4d ago

This is a weird point. Not all civilians were oppressors but they were the oppressed themselves.(a lot of em were also oppressors obvs) Check out what the hunger winter is and how much my region suffered under it. Or how many people tried to resist them. Besides, a lot of the people the nazis were against survived too. You don't think they have any scars? It's not cut and dry. Like I get what you mean, but it doesn't hold up under nuance.

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u/ZeePirate 4d ago

We had American companies do that too... to be fair

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u/Nethlem 4d ago

Not just companies, whole American family dynasties were funded on trade with Nazis.

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u/gingerfreddy 4d ago

Sweden had and continues to have a nazi problem. Far more neonazis than Norway right next door, which was occupied during the war.

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u/Grace-a-toi 4d ago

True. We just turned our heads away and pretended to be "neutral". It's a shameful chapter in our history.

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u/ask_me_about_my_bans 4d ago

kids love infuriating older people. they don't care for the reasons why, they think you're the one who's immature for caring.

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u/Aifendragon 4d ago

It's unfortunately common here in the UK, too.

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u/NietJij 4d ago

Don't mention the war. I did it once but I think I got away with it.

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u/PuckNutty 4d ago

Well, you started it.

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u/Grace-a-toi 4d ago

What? I'm so sorry that happened to you. That it happened at all. Maybe I'm sheltered but I've hardly ever seen one here.

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u/Ann3Nym 4d ago

Mentioning that you're German works like a charm. Also, the Nazi costume at the Halloween party at Studentkåre was a new one.

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u/WatchingCr33py 4d ago

alot of norwegian kids/teens does it too, they do get in trouble for it tho

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u/lilpumpfanclubprez 4d ago

In America it's like "haha member when we killed those natseez and then came home and we all had jobs and houses?"

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u/damasu950 4d ago

"Honey, I'm home! I brought you a bag of rubble from Europe!"

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u/Title26 4d ago

So many episodes of antiques roadshow where someone’s dad/grandpa brought back a priceless antique they “found” in France during the war.

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u/cat2nat 4d ago

I'll cry for France when they return the Mona Lisa to Florence. Until then...

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u/SleekVulpe 4d ago

Actually that painting is something justifiably french. King of France bought it legitimately when he hired Leonardo and Leonardo brought it with him. Other artifacts and such are arguable. But the Mona Lisa as property of the French Government is pretty rock solid.

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u/41mHL 4d ago

Vincenzo Peruggia, is that you?

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u/TheAlistmk3 4d ago

Apart from the far right in many European countries who openly embrace the Nazi's...

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u/Zeb1122 4d ago

Not to mention the literal Nazis. People act like WW2 and the Holocaust are ancient history, but a lot of the perpetrators as well as the victims are still alive.

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u/LedParade 4d ago

Yes there are proud boys in Europe too, but they don’t storm the capital

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u/TheAlistmk3 4d ago

Woah woah woah, we have Nazi's thank you very much, not proud boys

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u/Appeased_Seal 4d ago

A European neonazi used guns and explosions to kill 70+ people in Norway less than a decade ago.

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u/Mackem101 4d ago

In Britain we made sitcoms based around WW2, and that was while most survivors were still young.

Allo Allo, and Dad's Army being the most famous.

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u/Certain-Title 4d ago

Yeah but Allo Allo was hilarious. Taking the piss out of something is a different beast altogether. I live in the US (quite a bit of it in Texas), these people aren't taking the piss. They really believe this shit. It's mental.

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u/SpaGrapefruit 4d ago

Phew, I'd say a majority of the people here have or had grandparents who fought or survived the war against the nazi's, mine too. I find it disgusting when people joke about it..

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u/BalthusChrist 4d ago

When I was in Prague, about ten years ago, a group of lederhosen-clad Germans were drinking beer at the bar of the youth hostel I was staying at, and instead of "prost" they shouted "heil" when taking a drink together. Is this normal? They didn't really look like neo-nazis.

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u/heimeyer72 4d ago

Maybe they were joking. When I was in school, we sometimes made a mocking Nazi-salute while saying "Heil... Kräuter, so'n Sack voll!" which means: "Healing... herbs, such an amount in a sack!"

(Good times. Back than we didn't need to worry about real Nazi's.)

But in your case, one can't be sure.

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u/Mingusto 4d ago

Neonazism is on the rise in Germany

Lazio used to have a CF who would heil the crowd and the crowd would heil back.

There’s plenty of Nazi supporters in Europe

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u/Youreahugeidiot 4d ago

I get the feeling there are more Nazis in Kentucky than Germany at this point.

https://www.splcenter.org/states/kentucky

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u/Masada_ 4d ago

Whenever I'd get into debates with my friends, they would eventually shoot me down, saying "Well, at least we didn't exterminate all the Jews."

Wait until they hear about Native Americans...

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u/sdfgh23456 4d ago

Or the Japanese americans during WWII

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u/anonymous8bilx3 4d ago

And Vietnam,Afghanistan,Iran,Syria, ... And all the other countries where they could make money... Eh, restore democracy.

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u/SagaStrider 4d ago

'Where are all the native Americans?'

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u/Rajatbhat 4d ago

Weight, overeating, racism, the Army..

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u/PalnPWN 4d ago

The war on drugs, sexism, political tension...

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u/tanbirj 4d ago

Just say Trump, that’s enough of an insult

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u/TheFishTree 4d ago

Actually yeah. One time i had an argument with an American on Minecraft and he was talking smack about Europe. Not about my country but the whole continent. I just said "At least we don't have Trump" and all I remember was that he got muted for spam.

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u/master_x_2k 4d ago

Doesn't England have a discount Trump?

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u/TheFishTree 4d ago

The Prime Minister?

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u/Rand0m_Stranger3 4d ago

the guy who shook hands with every covid patient in the hospital and then got confused on why he got corona?

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u/Ub3rShadow 4d ago

The guy who said "Let the bodies pile high in their thousands!"

Fuck Boris. Can't wait until that manipulative bastard is dead.

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u/RetardedGaming 4d ago

Mass incarceration, wealth gap, mass eviction, crises of capitalism, slave labor in prisons, literal concentration camps, rise of fascism and white supremacy...

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u/UltiMatthew 4d ago

This sounds like a poorly written version of “we didn’t start the fire”

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u/buttpooperson 4d ago

Fun fact: the thing that upsets billy joel the most in that song is the Cola Wars. That's when he just can't take it anymore.

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u/Sryeetsalot 4d ago

And most of all, the trans Atlantic slave trade, actually no he should fire back at them with that

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u/quiero-una-cerveca 4d ago

Portugal has entered the chat...

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u/nobodyherebutusmice 4d ago

And the Netherlands.

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u/Lemmungwinks 4d ago

Europeans really can’t use trans-Atlantic slave trades as an insult against America when Europeans were the ones who formed and managed them.

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u/buttpooperson 4d ago

We live on very shitty reservations with bad water, no jobs, and massive crime rates while everyone thinks we get free government checks and don't pay taxes 🙄, that's where we are

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u/Krankhaus1221 4d ago

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u/Steinfall 4d ago

„The Name Kentucky is connected to some Native American languages - right? Which one and where are those who spoke that language? At least we in Germany did not kill them.“

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u/OkPreference6 4d ago

They went down a road to new homes. Crying out of happiness. Which is why its called the trail of tears.

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u/Oldbayislove 4d ago

it was such a nice place they had to make reservations

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u/dabbinthenightaway 4d ago

It's Kentucky. Just make jokes about fucking your cousin and meth.

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u/SagaStrider 4d ago

Something about how in Kentucky fucking your cousin is wrong because it's not nice to cheat on your sister.

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u/KingOfLosses 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yeah so I’m German. Studied in the USA. Had to endure ww2 jokes for weeks. One time I retorted with 9/11 and the room went silent. They looked shocked then told me you can’t joke about it. I just told them that if they don’t think one should joke about 3k people dying then maybe one shouldn’t joke about tens of millions dying either.

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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims 4d ago

America suffers from the 'my rules are great for thee, and not for me'. Bullies here love to use that.

Also, unrelated question: Every German I've met is super chill and just seems so... de-stressed. Any ideas about how one obtains the key to this secret?

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u/KingOfLosses 4d ago

Well it wasn’t even bullies. This was just a bunch of people who genuinely thought it was funny. Some of them even pretty nice people. That’s what surprised me so much.

And in terms of being chill. I’m not sure. Maybe you’ve only met Germans who are on vacation?

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u/NetflixModsArePedos 4d ago

Huh I never thought about it before but that’s a really good point that only meeting people you don’t see in your every day life while they are on vacation will definitely make you think everyone back home for them is that relaxed every day while working.

That’s a pretty cool perspective

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u/Thebestusername12345 4d ago

Americans do that too, bad example.

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u/Emriyss 4d ago

"at least I don't live in walking distance of the next school shooting"

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u/KeepYourPresets 4d ago

Shouldn't that be "running distance"?

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u/Appeased_Seal 4d ago

To be fair most kids in the U.S don’t live in walking distance to a school

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u/Bobby_Money 4d ago

Americans themsleves already make those jokes

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u/TheMoroneer 4d ago

"Well, at least we didn't exterminate all the jews"

the Comeback is: "well, at least we didn't exterminate all the native americans"

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u/NietJij 4d ago

"Well neither did I."

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u/jsting 4d ago

"At least we didn't exterminate all the school children."

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u/Austrinaut 4d ago

Calm down Obi-Wan Kenobi

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u/revercry 4d ago

No, the comeback is staying the fuck away from people who say that. Even if that means changing school or changing a country, or kicking them out of your house. Don't argue with idiots, it's their game.

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u/TheMoroneer 4d ago

that's the optimal route

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u/Imnotreallyameme 4d ago

Wayne said it best “don’t argue with idiots they’ll drag you down to there level and beat you with experience”

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u/Producedealer76 4d ago

We had a german exchange student in high school. Our history teacher who was a pompous ass made it a point to go up to her and say "It's not your fault your country killed millions of innocent people" she left the class bawling. We all wanted to kick the guy's ass.

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u/HisMajesty_Death 4d ago

Could've said the same to him back

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u/dvessels 4d ago

Ask them how the U.S. treated Jewish folks during WW2? If they gave them asylum, etc.?

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u/snakeygirl 4d ago

Literal ships worth of people were sent back to their deaths

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u/TheXientist 4d ago

To be fair the same thing is happening everywhere around the world at this very moment. Refugees getting "sent back" aka murdered.

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u/xXJupiterXx_YT 4d ago

And if they joined because they were sorry for them or think the death of millions of people is inhumane

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u/yoku651 4d ago

Ask them how they treat jewish folks now, lol. One of the most social prevalent members of congress routinely try and say there is a "jewish space laser" and she is 100% serious.

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u/clemensrinner8 4d ago

I’m a German and the last sentence killed me. What an argument hahaha

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u/MapleJacks2 4d ago

Shut up Nazi. At least we didn't exterminate the Jews.

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u/Treequest45 4d ago

Imagine using the past as an argument.

"You won't get this car insurance because you ate my lollipop when you are 6,"

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u/snakeygirl 4d ago

Jew here. Do we make Germany jokes on occasion? Yeah. Do we think modern Germans are responsible for their ancestors crimes? Of course not. Nazis absolutely ruined Germany and killed many German citizens who showed any discomfort with the nazi regime (even those who weren’t Jewish). Modern Germany has made it abundantly clear that they are ashamed of nazi Germany and seem to be actively trying to avoid letting such hatred return to their country.

There’s more to Germany than just the nazis. The nazis were horrible monsters but I’m not going to hunt down someone just because their country of origin had a nasty history (especially since many countries have committed atrocities in the past). It would be like making fun of a random American because of what the colonists did to the natives.

People aren’t responsible for their ancestors crimes. People are responsible for making sure to never repeat their ancestors mistakes. If I saw an actual nazi I’d probably beat the shit out of them but I’m not just gonna call some kid a nazi because they come from Germany.

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u/Steinfall 4d ago

German here. Thank you for your words. I had the honor to join a conference on Israel-German relations in Tel Aviv some years ago. It was a great lesson to learn about the processes within the Israel society especially during the 1960s about how to develop the relations to Germany. In 1960s many of the average criminals would be still alive. For Israeli people there was this permanent question „is this Germany I am talking to right now probably a person who killed a relative 25 years ago?“

I am proud of both societies, and politicians from both sides to find ways to develop and establish a trustworthy relationship. It was for sure a hard way with a lot of obstacles, tensions and tears. But today we can say we made it and we turned one of the worst crimes possible into a way to collaborate peacefully.

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u/Parcours97 4d ago

Nazis absolutely ruined Germany and killed many German citizens who showed any discomfort with the nazi regime (even those who weren’t Jewish).

Thank you. People need to remember that the Nazis killed anyone they didn't like. Not just jews. The first victims were probably socialists and communists.

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u/margenreich 4d ago

I think the most tragic thing most people forget is that a lot of the killed jews were germans their whole life. Seriously, many of them fought in WW1 for the empire. Being a jew is no nationality. It's much worse that people betrayed their neighbours and countrymen. And that happend in whole Europe, not only Germany. You can go to prison in Poland for saying that but many Polish helped the nazis. Same in France, Italy, Spain, Austria, Hungary and many other countries.

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u/CultofFelix 4d ago edited 4d ago

Especially like the beat the shit out of a nazi part. I hope you don't encounter many nazis in your life (it is never a pleasant experience) but if you do please beat the shit out of them.

Being a younger generation German I think young Germans absolutely have a responsibility - to remember the past so it will never be forgotten, and to make sure the past won't repeat itself. I read that a Jewish journalist wrote he wished young generation Germans can become an example of the fight against facism and I also want it to be that way.

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u/nbellman 4d ago

I went to jewish school for most of my childhood and we had a german student and no one ever would've even thought to say anything like that, no one ever related him or his family to hitler in any way. The first country the nazis took was germany, maybe not the same way they took the rest but for many it was still an invasion.

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u/Gonzo67824 4d ago

I’m German. We do absolutely not “find it hard to talk about Germany’s Nazi past”. It is talked about constantly in the media and in education. As it should be.

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u/Luschie-Chan 4d ago

But in this post it is about joking about it and making the Hitlergruß. We talk a lot about Nazi Germany as it should be but with respect and a lot of seriousness.

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u/Zazukeki 4d ago

But we don't joke about that we once "exterminated the Jews". Yes, we talk very seriously about the Dritte Reich, the Holocaust and everything that is associated with Hitler (as we should), but no sane German would ever jokingly do the Hitlergruß or crack jokes about the Holocaust at all.

Just like no sane American would joke about 9/11, Pearl Harbour or other tragic events.

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u/FrenchHokage 4d ago

I am an American citizen I have blonde hair and blue eyes and German last name (although since I’m from NY I’m mostly Cuban(mom) and Italian, Irish, Austrian (Dad)). Calling my a Nazi was fun for kids I grew up with. I would get things like my notes or papers taken from me only to find them later with swastika drawn all over them. I grew up In a school system with a large Jewish population I had to accept that the way I look was going to bring about a level of hatred and Teachers were useless since the PC to go after Jewish kids for hating on a “Nazi” kid was too complicated. I thankfully was level headed and chill never fighting back and even trying at times to laugh along with the dumb jokes. Some of my best friends were Jewish in school so I never felt the need to hate Jewish people just the idiots who took the jokes too far. There is a reality to this that kids think it’s funny to make a kid feel bad about being German, (unfortunately especially Jewish kids in my experience).

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u/grandma_nazi_01 4d ago

Just stereotype them as fried chicken for revenge

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u/kirkyKirkham 4d ago

No America just gave sanctuary to the hundred of Nazi and Japanese scientists who experimented on innocent men, woman and children in return for their research.

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u/snakeygirl 4d ago

Honestly hate how many nazi scientists got out of being punished because of their valuable information. My blood boils when I think about it. Especially since I find the “scientists” to be one of the most awful parts. They used the guise of science to torture innocent people and to propagate their messed up racial theories. I can’t put into words how much torture I wish those “scientists” to go through. They treated humans as their playthings and deserve nothing but being buried in a full septic tank.

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u/Upgrades_ 4d ago

Some did....some, I assume, were scientists working for corporations doing normal science and wanted to continue feeding their family. Nothing is so black and white as to say they were all doing experiments on jews in concentration camps..

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u/Xxuwumaster69xX 4d ago

Also living an an authoritarian regime limits freedom of choice...

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u/FluffyDiscipline 4d ago

It shows their ignorance not yours

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u/RugbyValkyrie 4d ago

Happened to me every day for 5 years when I moved to the UK. Kids doing the salute and yelling sieg hiel at me. That and the racial slurs made for a miserable few years.

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u/HisMajesty_Death 4d ago

I have german friends who lived in the south of France who experienced this too. Was hell for them at school.

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u/Manders37 4d ago edited 4d ago

America's tendancy to point fingers at other's faults when their other three fingers are pointing back at them is exactly why they're in the position they're in now. Americans need to learn humility.

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u/Drogan1088 4d ago

I use all my fingers to point at other people’s faults.

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u/DorianOtten 4d ago

That's kinda what a hitler salute is in fairness

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u/Drogan1088 4d ago

I put a little flair on it with my wrist. So, it’s not at all similar.

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u/naja_egal 4d ago

The reason I don’t like most jokes about our past isn’t because of the finger pointing. My grandfather did horrible things, if the worst that happens to his grandson is people making crude jokes, so what.

The problem is who you’re joking about. “Haha they killed the jews,” to me sounds like mocking the victims. Even when you’re joking about Hitlers ugly hair cut or pathetic way of speaking, I feel like you’re not taking the consequences this appeal had for the lives of millions of people into account. And because this appeal Hitler had to people in his time is so tightly interwoven with the destiny of the Holocaust victims, those jokes more often than not are jokes about them, whether the person making the joke has this intent or not.

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u/Quantentheorie 4d ago

I don't even thinkt he fingerpointing is necessarily the issue. That they seem to make light of it, that they don't seem to understand.

The Holocaust is treated like Pop-Culture. There seems to be no line between the energy people have for MCU lore and WWII history. There is no comical evil here, no infallible heros, just a whole lot of horrifying human suffering that actually happened.

Imo humility would follow naturally, if they would engage with the reality of WWII (or even the civil war) not the hero-myth of it.

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u/branzalia 4d ago

We had a German student in high school and there wasn't a single mention of Nazis or their past. The thing he was asked the most was how to swear in German.

I don't know what it is with all those scheisse people in Kentucky.

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u/twowheeledfun 4d ago

"Well, at least we didn't lock up all Japanese-Americans in concentration camps during the war."

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u/siebenundsiebzigelf 4d ago

if Americans were as aware and cautious about the things Americans fucked up in the last 100 years as (most) Germans are with the German history, maybe Americans had less of a superiority complex

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u/forrestgumpy2 4d ago

Ironically, there are probably more Nazis living in Kentucky than in Germany.

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u/Quantentheorie 4d ago

"What are you hoping for, teach? That he knows my grandpa Karl personally because he murdered a lot of his relatives in Dachau?"

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u/LordGalen 4d ago

[Redneck accent] SORRY YOU CAIN'T HANDEL ARE FREEDUM!!!!

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u/Zerotan 4d ago

Lots more nazis in the US than in Europe today.

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u/TNS72 4d ago

Jewish American- can confirm, this is pretty much exactly what public school was like for me except on the other end.

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u/UsernameChecksOut_69 4d ago

Classic obnoxious attitude.

Most Americans are incapable of recognizing that their own country is responsible for one of the largest genocides and ethnic cleansing agendas in history; around 130 million indigenous American's were exterminated over a 200 year period.

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u/Voodoo_Dummie 4d ago

Apparently, that was 'okay' because that's just what happens when a technologically superior group meets a weaker group, and otherwise that the natives were also killing some other natives sometimes. Some people are ardent believers of american exceptionalism and manifest destiny.

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u/Sanitized_b01 4d ago edited 4d ago

That is fucked up!

Oh yeah, it's in America. As I thought (sorry if I offended any american(well, not really because "the place is a gunslinging shitshow"(well, I'm actually sorry if I offended anyone, but some areas are that bad))).

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u/drunken_augustine 4d ago

No no, as an American you’re 100% in the right

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u/RainbowDarter 4d ago

I've lived in kentucky.

No offence taken.

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u/Nikkus430 4d ago

I got the same as a kid when they all found out I was born in Germany. Hitler changed to Tyson when I got my front tooth knocked out and had to wait to get it fixed. Kids are awful and psychopaths.