r/VPNTorrents
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List of VPNs with port-forwarding and no logging evidence (2021)
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Nov 27 '21 edited Nov 27 '21
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u/IcePal Nov 28 '21
my guy youre using an affiliate link LOL
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u/imsofknmiserable Nov 29 '21
He knows. new comment on a 2 months old thread with a dozen upvotes already. Not suspicious at all.
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u/hughk Nov 30 '21
Thanks for your good work. The comment is removed and the commenter temporarily banned.
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u/HazarDas99 Nov 27 '21
Any idea about it's ability to help use hotstar/netflix account abroad? I got Indian accounts for both the streaming services and planning to use in Europe. Just confused between nord n express.
Plus how good it actually is for torrent yts movie downloads something.
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u/daiqo Nov 30 '21
NordVPN lacks port forwarding so it's not recommended for p2p/torrenting. Plus, they probably spend more on advertising than their service. If there's a list of VPNs I would not recommend for torrenting, NordVPN would be in it.
Meanwhile the comment has been removed because of course... affiliate link.
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u/HazarDas99 Dec 01 '21
Can you dm me any suitable VPN name that suits my purpose? possible by any chance??
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u/daiqo Dec 01 '21
Hotstar should work with any VPN that has server in India no? As for Netflix they have basically blacklisted all datacenters so most if not all VPNs won't currently work. By not work I mean you won't be able to "localize" the catalogue, but you'll still see the Netflix productions and globally licensed shows/movies.
That's why we don't do "streaming VPNs" here, it's pointless. Any claim to the contrary is likely false, especially coming from Nord/ExpressVPN and other paid reviews websites.
My suggestion is to choose a few from the list above and give it a try once you're abroad, or reaching out to them and asking if they support Hotstar/Netflix on Indian servers.
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u/Brandon313c Sep 03 '21
Whats the use of port forwarding vpn?
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u/daiqo Sep 03 '21 edited Sep 06 '21
For torrents, it drastically increases the amount of seeders and peers you can connect to, which thus influence the download and upload speed performance (and ratio).
The difference is so significant that last time I did a benchmark for 3 torrents of different characteristics, the VPN without port-forwarding (ExpressVPN) didn't even start downloading 2 out of 3 torrents by the time a port-forwarding one (Mullvad) finished downloading them all. The 1 torrent it did was very recent with +500 seeders/peers one.
There are many decent VPNs out there, but if you plan to torrent then you need port forwarding.
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Sep 04 '21
You still did not answer the question. Why is it required? Technically?
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u/ThisIsPickles Sep 04 '21
It's not required. It's just really nice to have and makes everything go a lot easier. If you want an ELI5 response you will need to ask a programmer familiar port forwarding processes.
Or read this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_forwarding
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u/astutesnoot Sep 08 '21
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u/Medical-Confidence-4 Sep 08 '21
Why'd you delete your comment on the other thread? By the way, the post says "Disclaimer: not proof they're safe" ...
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Sep 04 '21
Is port-forwarding necessary for IPv6?
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Sep 05 '21
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Sep 05 '21
Do you know if the most popular torrenting clients implement some method of hole punching to get around this issue?
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Sep 05 '21
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Sep 05 '21
I'm referring to the NAT traversing UDP or TCP hole punching techniques that have become commmonplace amongst many apps.
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u/yuukik12 Nov 02 '21
Which one of these could i use so the site im on can't detect i have vpn? i tried ghost and i got blocked because it said error vpn detected.
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Nov 26 '21
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Nov 27 '21
13 upvotes on a 12-hour-old comment in a 2-months-old post, posted by a nearly blank account.
Yeah, not a paid comment. NordVPN is bad for privacy.
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u/ZaInT Sep 03 '21 edited Oct 06 '21
Satisfied customer of OVPN since around 3 years with static IP addon service, it's wonderful
EDIT: The additional steps required for Mullvad's SOCKS5 are not required with OVPN since they use OpenVPN/Wireguard all the way.
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u/Drwankingstein Sep 03 '21
Mullvad is nice. but I don't like that I cannot do Portforwarding on a subscription.
PIA is not nice. the company that owns it is a crapshoot. I never used any of the other ones..
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u/daiqo Sep 03 '21
I don't understand why Mullvad doesn't let port-forwarding on subscription if they are that confident on their no-logging infrasctruture. I wouldn't say it's a red flag, but makes you wonder.
PIA new ownership wasn't good news but their recent actions seem to be positive, i.e. open-sourcing their apps and planning audit for this year. Plus they have the most evidence in court to back up their claim.
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u/Drwankingstein Sep 03 '21
Although mullvad claims its for security. and to be fair. it is a decent failsafe security measure.
its far more likely it is because they ran out of ports. you can check the dates of the articles they posted. the announcement that no more port forwarding on subs, came out only 1 month after they announced that they had used up all of their ports.
as for PIA. a few years ago now, the company that owns PIA ran a smear campaign against protonVPN. im not sure if they still do shady shit. but like nord. They put themselves on my blacklist.
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u/truthtortoise Sep 04 '21
Johnny Law: who is using port 6000 on this server?
Mullvad: all we have is an account number and an IP address
JL: that might IP be the home wifi. who's paying for that account's subscription?
M: there's no subscription. The only information we keep for payment is what's needed for tax purposes
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u/Drwankingstein Sep 04 '21
and? as ive said, its a fairly decent security method. I just don't think it is a necessary one. it's useful to have, but I don't see why they would force it. as apposed to just letting people know it would potentially create a papertrail.
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u/truthtortoise Sep 04 '21
I think Mullvad views their role as being the one handling the opsec of the VPN. They don't want their customers having any problems
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u/Dudmaster Sep 03 '21
Well, 65535 (max ports per IP) was enough for all users since their 2009 launch. Since they updated to per-city, they now have estimated 65535*778 servers = 50986230 ports. I don't think they ran through 50 million ports in a month
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Sep 03 '21
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u/astutesnoot Sep 03 '21
That’s not how it works. When you request a port from Mullvad, you don’t get to pick the port. Instead they assign you a random high port related to the city your key is associated with. You then take that port and assign it as the listener port in your torrent client. Mullvad (or any other public VPN provider) isn’t letting you request any specific port in this process.
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u/ZaInT Oct 06 '21 edited Oct 06 '21
OVPN lets you choose any port from 49152 and up provided it is free on the chosen server (OpenVPN) or bound to your private key (Wireguard).
Up to 7 ports can be forwarded and are shared between Wireguard and OpenVPN (mix however you like, some on both or all on one protocol etc.).
With the static public IP addon you are completely free to do whatever you want since it's a "real" IP which you control 100% - which of course also means setting up your own firewall rules and so on which might be too much for some.
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u/Drwankingstein Sep 04 '21
Thats not the only issue. some cities will inevitably get more traffic. and therefore more people might want those ports from that IP.
So I see this being more for preventing people from claiming ports and forgetting about it to a degree.
Other than that, while its a nice security feature. I don't see a real reason to force it, instead of just educating the users. that it may leave a papertrail.
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u/iqBuster Sep 04 '21
I don't understand why Mullvad doesn't let port-forwarding on subscription if they are that confident on their no-logging infrasctruture. I wouldn't say it's a red flag, but makes you wonder.
I would classify it as 'defense in depth' in case something goes wrong. They foresee a possible (no matter how unlikely) loophole and adapted accordingly.
How much something go wrong depends entirely on the kind of deep-pocketed and powerful black suit man you've offended.
It rather makes me wonder why no one else is following that strategy.
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u/pepe256 Nov 27 '21
Are you not able to forward ports unless you remember to pay for Mullvad manually each month?
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u/iqBuster Nov 30 '21
That's their security model yes. I believe you can pre-pay whatever amount in advance
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u/pepe256 Nov 30 '21
Ain't nobody got time for that. I'll get openvpn then
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u/iqBuster Dec 01 '21
You mean a different provider. There're plenty with OpenVPN and few with Wireguard support.
Mullvad purposefully don't allow subscription accounts to port-forward iirc due to potentially legally being forced to disclose account info.
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u/41aErnie Sep 28 '21
Can someone help me set up the interface binding in Qbittorrent? I know where the options is I just do not know which one to select.
After I connect my VPN how do I tell which interface is the one that is anonymous so I can route the torrent client through it?
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u/LeoKesler Sep 05 '21
Do I need port forwarding for seeding (ratio) in private trackers ?
And, what is the correct way to use VPN for torrents: connect to a server at same country or choose another country ?
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u/daiqo Sep 06 '21
Port forwarding is important for keeping a healthy ratio yes.
As for the server, if they're not logging and properly vetting the providers, the country doesn't really make a difference. But you can always add one layer of protection by avoiding countries known for DMCAs, eg. EUA.
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u/iqBuster Oct 07 '21
Hm which ones did you remove since? For sure PIA but there were at least 6 entries iirc
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u/daiqo Nov 30 '21
Before it was those 4 + PIA and hide.me. I moved the last 2 outside to honorable mentions because the Kape acquisition is too strong a red flag for most of us and hide.me had a really old audit.
Sorry to only reply now but I don't receive notifications for this thread, only going through them now.
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u/Level-4-Lab Nov 04 '21
Mullvad is very expensive as they offer no discounts for longer term agreements. Why would they be a better choice than Express VPN for torrenting?
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u/daiqo Nov 30 '21
Mullvad is superior to ExpressVPN in basically every way.
Besides the fact that ExpressVPN lacks port forwarding, got acquired by a shady company called Kape and spend more on advertising than their actual service, there's tons more reasons why you can read about.
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Nov 04 '21
PIA is the only all rounder except for the fact that its US based and owned by Kape. Still i don't find any flaws in their service and would continue to use their service for now.
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u/daiqo Nov 30 '21
The port rotates, it's inconvenient. They're court-proven (before new ownership), but the Kape acquisition was a red flag that many considered enough to jump ship.
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