r/LeopardsAteMyFace 13d ago

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u/jbertrand_sr 13d ago

It's the same principle as the Farmers who voted for far right immigration policies crying that they can't get any immigrants to come and pick their crops for pennies on the dollar...

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u/GeniusOfLove74 13d ago

Very true. I'm in Georgia. ICE raided here in 2019.

Suddenly farmers can't get their crops picked, sorted, hauled, etc?

When conservatives tell you that "they" (immigrants) want to take your jobs, they don't mean the jobs you actually had or want.

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u/skintigh 13d ago

When conservatives tell you that "they" (immigrants) want to take your jobs, they don't mean the jobs you actually had or want.

I don't think they care. They just want to hear that all the problems in their life are somebody else's fault. Preferably some scary, brown stranger's fault.

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u/NoCurrency6 13d ago

You’ve just described how the Republican Party has been operating for decades now

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u/vlasvilneous 13d ago

Is... is this a shock to people? Are people really shocked by this?

I feel like Im taking crazy pills!

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u/tyrico 13d ago

I hear you but keep in mind there are people of all ages on here, many of which are just learning for the first time how fucked up the world can be

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u/Mrpoodlekins 13d ago

It doesn't help that some of us are surrounded by boomer/conservative talking points growing up. I only saw what was really happening in this country when I turned 18 with guys like Jon Stewart being labeled "socialistas comemierdas".

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u/FwibbFwibb 13d ago

And then if you hurt the bad people, everything will work itself out.

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u/Spinner1975 13d ago

You'll feel good about yourself if you help us hurt them. We'll tell you that they're bad people so you can feel even better about it, but you know full well that they're innocent.

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u/fatboyfat1981 13d ago

See also: Brexit

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u/6362252730 13d ago

Haha everything about that video was amazing from the local law commercial for “THE HAMMER” to the opening where the said farmers we complaining about having to work out a picking schedule to accommodate the legal pickers that have to be brought in and then sent back home again. To just a bunch of old white Georgia male farmers in a room bitching about not being able to just be awful and in no way accommodating to the Mexican slave labor they had in the old days. Then expecting their senator to clean it all up and go back to DC to fix it.

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u/Honztastic 13d ago

Sometimes they do.

Manufacturing, construction, factory jobs used to be great unionized jobs that people could provide for a family.

Until Reagonimcs bullshit and NAFTA type trade nonsense gutted Unions and flooded those jobs with unskilled and semi skilled labor pools that made them no longer attractive options.

They arent coming to take your job. They came and took it 30 years ago. And now we are all so fucked by the economy, we rely on that super cheap price of goods thats carried on the backs of illegal labor.

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u/Kimmalah 13d ago

And now we are all so fucked by the economy, we rely on that super cheap price of goods thats carried on the backs of illegal labor.

Yes, everybody is all gung-ho about kicking out illegal immigrants and everything "Made in the USA." Until they find out it means higher prices that they can't afford on the shitty wages that almost everyone makes.

People don't ever make this connection - they want everything to be insanely cheap, but they want to eliminate all the things that made those low prices possible. While also not wanting to raise wages that might make those higher prices more affordable. It's just like the people who don't care if their infrastructure is falling apart around them, so long as they pay low low taxes.

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u/Honztastic 13d ago

Id rather pay a dollar more if we all get the fucking pay raises that CEOs stole from us since the 70s.

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u/SprinklesFancy5074 13d ago

Immigrants didn't steal your job.

Corporations took your job and shipped it to Malaysia.

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u/zSprawl 13d ago

Or we just offshore it. No one has to “come and take” anything.

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u/rusty_flintlock 13d ago

Right? The fault lies with corporations and the members of government in their pockets, not people just trying to earn a living for their family and taking opoortunities as they come.

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u/kanna172014 13d ago

Farmers are not against illegal immigrants. They are against illegal immigrants getting protection from the government. That way they can treat them any way they want, pay them slave wages and then hold the threat of deportation over their heads, something they can't do if they are given protected status.

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u/Kimmalah 13d ago

Yes, in the end the problem is that our whole system is built on a foundation of extreme exploitation. If that doesn't change, pretty much anything else we do will just be a band-aid at best.

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u/SprinklesFancy5074 13d ago

Yep. And often not pay them at all ... and if they complain about that, threaten to call ICE on them.

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u/skintigh 13d ago

This is doubly ironic.

Business owners didn't want to risk taking a financial loss, so they laid off workers when those workers had no hope of finding other sources of income.

Now that the economy is picking up, employers are mad that the employees they threw to the wolves won't take a financial loss and come back to work for less money than they currently get from unemployment.

"It's smart business when I do it, immoral when you do it."

Some Republicans are even calling for the end of stimulus checks, not unemployment, as a result of this. "Let's cripple the national economy for years so a miserly burger franchise owner doesn't take a $600 loss this quarter paying an employee more."

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u/No-Comedian-5424 13d ago

I was at a community award “banquet” a couple of years ago, seated between two small-town police chaplains (just imagine two retired honkey-boomer evangelical douches who volunteer to hang out with cops and talk about Jesus.)

One of the very first conversations they tried to strike up with me was about how fantastic and satisfying it will be for them when McDonald’s finally fires all its employees and replaces them with touch screen kiosks and automated robot chefs. “That’ll teach those lazy bums about asking for a higher wage!”

Anyway, a couple of months ago, my wife was on the Internet and said, “hey... remember that chaplain you were stuck next to at the award ceremony?”

I said, “please tell me he is in federal custody for storming the Capitol?”

“Nope, dead of COVID!”

RIP asshole!

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u/Overdose7 13d ago

honkey-boomer

I want to thank you for this.

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u/catanne91 13d ago

That's such an accurate description

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u/Machaeon 13d ago

Having worked fast food for my first job out of high school at $7.25/hr... all I can say about the help wanted signs on many fast food places is this:

"Guess you should value your labor more, huh..."

That is a hot, sweaty, greasy, and thankless hell where you can't ever feel like you're making progress as when things are going well, all you're doing is keeping up, never getting ahead, and you end the day exhausted and in pain. You couldn't pay me enough to work that job again.

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u/BlueAndMoreBlue 13d ago

And people wonder why drug use is so prevalent in food service...

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u/PaperclipStrategy 13d ago

i would never go back to food-service unless i could be stoned while on the job. Most people i knew were stoned anyways, a few got drug-tested and fired.

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u/johangubershmidt 13d ago

Drug testing fast food workers? Were they just looking for a reason to fire them?

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u/NobodySpecific 13d ago

That's almost as dumb as the software company I worked for that wanted to start randomly testing all developers. Uh...do you hate your developers and want a reason to fire them all? All I know is that the mild-mannered, well respected, long-tenured technical lead on my team looked like a deer in the headlights when they announced what they wanted to do. I left for other reasons shortly after that announcement, but I have a strong feeling they scrapped the plan...

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u/BAKLA_AKO 13d ago

That’s wild to me because a HUGE chunk of people I know / have met in Tech are huge stoners and/or use psychedelics. My close friend is CMO of a company and microdoses LSD. My ex is a developer and he’s always WFH and blazes a lot and does mushrooms. I’m not saying everyone in Tech uses drugs, but a shitton do and are still incredibly productive employees. Was your company literally trying to lose everyone? LOL

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u/B133d_4_u 13d ago

The FBI has had a shortage on tech guys for decades because they can't find anyone who can pass a drug test. It's actually kinda hilarious how fear over a giggle plant or a rainbow fungus is holding back humanity's capability to solve so many of our current problems.

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u/Whats_Up_Bitches 13d ago

Even if they didn’t I don’t think many competent engineers would want to work there. I’m in water process engineering and have an acquaintance who was trying to become an agent. He was trying to talk me into applying because they need competent technical people in pretty much every field. Drug testing, extensive interviews and intrusive backrground checks where they interview everyone from 5th cousins to the girl you had a crush on in 2nd grade...no thanks. He ended up leaving and joining the local sheriffs department because better pay and quicker upward mobility.

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u/James-W-Tate 13d ago

Any job where you need a security clearance gets real intrusive to your personal life real fast.

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u/OperativePiGuy 13d ago

rug testing, extensive interviews and intrusive backrground checks where they interview everyone from 5th cousins to the girl you had a crush on in 2nd grade...no thanks

I used to think this was hyperbole but it's not even far off. My coworker was going through this for months and he said they did intense one on one interviews and they look into pretty much all your debt and anything else that could possibly make you a liability. I'm sure the pay is nice but not worth it for me.

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u/Lightwavers 13d ago

Keeping knowledgeable people out of the FBI is praxis, actually.

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u/ThatOneRussian 13d ago edited 12d ago

Exactly. Part of the vetting process of working for the FBI is asking: Does state sponsored propaganda work on you? Will you choose blindly following rules over social pressures / personal enjoyment?

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u/accostedbyhippies 13d ago

I was so stressed out the last 3 months of my tech job I started having an edible for lunch everyday. One of my coworkers approached me one day and asked if I had decided to quit. He was like "You look so relaxed, I thought you'd decided to leave this place." That right then is when I really decided to quit.

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u/Get_bent_fucko 13d ago

Fuck, not just holding humanity back in general but this country's software security is utter trash. You'd think they want all the talent available.

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u/thockinator 13d ago

They want all the talent and more and pay them nothing and less.

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u/peeinian 13d ago

They were probably trying to save money in insurance. Either health insurance, liability or both.

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u/lifepuzzler 13d ago

And the metabolites are usually out of your system in <48 hours.

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u/ReaperCDN 13d ago

Can confirm. 100% of the techs I work with smoke weed, as do I, and plenty of us also do shrooms.

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u/TheEvilBagel147 13d ago

It's literally not my employers' business what I do when I'm off the clock. I could be shooting heroin and you know what? Still not their business. If it impacts my work performance then they can fire me for that. But if it doesn't? Then it's not their fuckin' business.

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u/FOXHNTR 13d ago edited 13d ago

I’ve always said if companies drug test they should be paying the workers 24/7. The only argument I ever get when I bring that up is basically “fuck you, peasant”

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u/InflammatoryMuskrat 13d ago

I work for a large tech company, and they make you agree to possible random drug testing as part of your employment agreement. As far as I know, they've never drug tested anyone, and I know several people who definitely partake. I assume maybe it's a way to make firing someone easier if that person seems to be messing up their job because of an out of control drug habit or something of that nature.

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u/JesterTheTester12 13d ago

The FBI apparently can't hire a bunch of people because they're stoners

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u/NobodySpecific 13d ago

I have been drug tested once in my 15 year tech career. It was a huge stress, because wtf? why? I definitely fall into that category of employee. WFH, get good reviews, smoke every day.

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u/VAShumpmaker 13d ago

Yep. I told my last boss (precious metals buying) that a drug test for opoids would go fine, but if she tested for weed, she would have to hire a whole new set of employees because ALL of us (5 people at my location, about 50 total) at our location would fail a pisstest for weed.

She just never brought it up again, which is good enough as an apology hahaha

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u/k00dalgo 13d ago

Wow. An unbelievably stupid move for a software development company.

I worked in game development for a few years and drug use was absolutely the norm, especially in the art department.

It was an unspoken rule. Everyone was high and as long as they were creating amazing stuff and making their deadlines, then there was no reason to wreck everyone's day with drug testing.

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u/70camaro 13d ago

This is why the department of defense public sector in general can't find technical minded people.

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u/otiswrath 13d ago

I remember at one point I worked at Outback as a server and there was a rumor that corporate was going to start random drug testing and the owner/manager was like, "We should just close now if that is the case. Everyone will either quit or be fired in a month."

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u/Epicjay 13d ago

Only fast food job I worked at didn't drug test bc if they did, they'd have to fire like 90% of their employees.

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u/Moglorosh 13d ago

A place I worked for did that. It wasn't fast food but it was still shitty retail. They never drug tested anyone ever, until one day one of the women that worked in our location filed a discrimination suit against the company. The next week we had been randomly selected for a drug screening and half the people there tested positive and lost their jobs, including the woman with the lawsuit and a guy who had literally started that day.

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u/MillionEyesOfSumuru 13d ago

I once worked in the corporate HQ of a retail chain that drug tested its clerks, and when I asked why, I was told that it was to get rid of tweakers and junkies who tended to cause inventory control problems, i.e., steal stuff. There was no incentive to fire pot smokers, but since cannabis was (and is) legally miscategorized at the federal level, they threw out the occasional baby with the bathwater.

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u/ew73 13d ago

I fully expect my fast food workers to be riding a mild high all day. Who wouldn't?

But I went to Del Taco the other day, and the dude at the drive through who took my card was so fucking high. It's a metal card, and he was amazed by it. Like, he just stood there, in the drive-thru window, holding it for a good 20 seconds and saying "Woowwwwww".

Then he forgot to charge me and handed it back. I asked, "Are you sure you don't want to run this?" and he looked very confused and handed me my tacos and said, "Nah man, I already ran it."

I ain't gonna argue, but damn bro, you're gonna get in trouble if you keep that up.

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u/Crezelle 13d ago

Worked in a candy manufacturing company. Only way I could keep the pain away was to pop edibles now and then.

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u/dreadpiratesmith 13d ago

Yea. Honestly, most places I've worked (not fast food) it was an unspoken rule that we're all gonna go chill and get stoned before the day starts, talk about what needs to get done, how we're gonna tackle the workload. It's easy to get overwhelmed on the line. Smoke a couple puffs off a joint and take a breather. Everyone's gonna get their food, but if you're rushing, you're gonna fuck up.

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u/PaperclipStrategy 13d ago

Everyone's gonna get their food, but if you're rushing, you're gonna fuck up.

words to live by.

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u/MadzED1Ts 13d ago

THIS. The motto I live by which a superior at the time told me: “Do you want to do it fast and wrong, or slow and right?” Not that you should spend hours on one thing, but take your time and do it right instead of rushing and then doing it again because you made a mistake in your hurry.

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u/dreadpiratesmith 13d ago

And you know what's worse than having to make a dozen orders at once? Doing them all again

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u/SoySauceSyringe 13d ago

Had a manager who had this on a big sign by his desk. “Do you want to do it right, or do you want to do it again?” He understood that people needed time to do good work. Miss that guy.

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u/OneToyShort 13d ago

Work lazy. Do it right. Do it once

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u/Sol-Infra 13d ago

And again and again for the 3 hour dinner-time rush.

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u/ASA-firepower 13d ago

I was a line cook at a restaurant for 2 years and loved it. But I was 19-20 and it's definitely a young person's job and lifestyle. And sure, everyone smoked pot constantly... that was one of the perks! The only other perk being able to eat a meal while on shift, but that is crucial to young employees. I seriously might not have eaten or had to go to a soup kitchen, otherwise. The pay was shit and we had to live 3 of us in a house to make rent. I'd never do it again.

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u/GeniusOfLove74 13d ago

Exactly. I don't know of one food service job where at least weed isn't a factor.

Source: 30 years of service jobs. Only about ten years of that was retail. The rest was some type of food service.

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u/hear4theDough 13d ago

I work retail and make $22/hr + bonuses. When my boss asks me to work longer, or cover some day I do it because I feel valued. I upsell, I do customer service, I have product knowledge. I work in a liquor store (the pay isn't that way because it's dangerous fyi), when I worked selling computers I was paid less and treated worse.

A friend asked me if I wanted to manage a bar he's opening. I'd make about $200 more per week, and I was completely uninterested. I have weekends off and finish at 5pm on a Friday. I'm never going back to that bs of service/chain store again unless it's as a regional manager.

You're all worth more than they want to pay and they know it. Easy to say when I have a job, but don't settle.

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u/dump_shit_man 13d ago

Literally my view. I've walked out of two food service jobs in 2 years because the pay is garbage, the managers are sadistic monkeys, and I don't feel like being degraded all day

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u/FabulousTrade 13d ago

I lasted 5 months at an airport restaurant due to sloppy management, shitty supervisors, shittier coworkers and being paid to just stand and stare into space while customers gave me stink eye for 8 hours.

That put me off restaurant work forever.

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u/FwibbFwibb 13d ago

Mananger taking a slow stroll through the food prep area:

"Come on, Drive Thru! Need to get those times down!" thinking it is somehow encouraging to see her relaxing & even on her phone while we are working.

And don't get me started on drive through.

Fuck it's too late.

The restaurant (McDonald's in my case) keeps track of how much time it takes to complete drive through orders. So what we ended up doing is clearing the order way before the customer even has their food. Or telling them to park in the lot because the order is huge. In the mean time, we'll just call it done.

Top down, the whole company is shit.

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u/ASK_ABOUT__VOIDSPACE 13d ago edited 13d ago

What's worse is labeling them "essential workers". No pay raise but they were given a piece of paper saying how important they are. Once the pandemic is over they'll go back to being just entry level workers.

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u/RedWaveThe1st 13d ago

Wish fast food workers were treated well, too many are shocked by basic fucking human decency these days...

Unrelated: That’s wild that you just roll a d6 for every comment you make on Reddit. Also, voidspace seems cool, might check it out.

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u/clemonade17 13d ago

Not even once the pandemic is over. A lot of places gave a "hazard pay" raise that lasted like a whole three months before people stopped caring.

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u/d3northway 13d ago

my job gave and took away hazard pay, then months later told us we have to wear masks but can't tell guests to, and that they won't pay for vaccines or give us time off to get one. Had two coworkers die of covid and they say "well, guess they should have washed their hands more"

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u/throwaway12349y0fj 13d ago

"Hazard pay was only when we thought the hazard wasn't gonna be long"

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u/Daikataro 13d ago

No pay raise but they were given a piece of paper saying how important they are.

Tut tut tut. That's not the way to talk about your non financial work incentive!

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u/CanadasNeighbor 13d ago

And even worse when you're under a shitty micromanager who's constantly reminding you of how much money you're costing them because you can't do the job exactly as they tell you with 100% accuracy.

I remember getting scolded because I wasn't filling the drinks to exactly 1 inch below the rim and therefore losing them money. Or I needed to fill our 1oz sauce containers EXACTLY halfway, 3/4ths was unacceptably wasteful.

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u/Machaeon 13d ago

Food waste was a big thing when I worked it. Getting bitched at over a few slices of bacon or a couple of eggs that needed to be tossed because they went over their hold time. Probably 25 cents for the lot of it.

But god forbid if you didn't have enough prepped on hand.

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u/AgentSmith187 13d ago

Ran a Pizza chain place in Australia and one tight armed owner had a melt down one night because I was only up 20kgs of cheese for the night.

That meant I had used 20kgs less of cheese than I should have for products sold.

The day me and the staff walked out at 5pm on a Friday night (after he failed to fix the AC for over a week mid summer) was the best night of my life working in Pizza. That owner (franchise situation) was an absolute wanker.

I got told I would never work for that company again. Joke was on him I was running another store he desperately wanted to buy in less than a week. Owner of that store knew the other owner was a wanker.

Managed to outsell his top store for 3 months straight after that. He actually asked if I would come back a year down the track but I was getting out of Pizza by then anyway.

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u/Chagdoo 13d ago

Oh god. The constant whining about not having enough product held, and then later swapping to how much is being wasted.

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u/Fuck_auto_tabs 13d ago

“1in below the rim”

Fucking hell. Working at a restaurant our managers never gave a shit because the syrup/water cost was like 5cents for a large drink, if that. Just as long as you sell the cup (which was like 1.50). Your manager was and probably still is an ass

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u/jflores0616 13d ago

Literally had a manager, nicknamed dragon lady, bitch me out and say how I cost money because 5 fries fell on the floor when loading them into a basket.

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u/CanadasNeighbor 13d ago

I bet those fries didn't even cost a penny.

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u/jflores0616 13d ago

Mcdonald's was the worst fast food job I had and was not worth the pay to stand at a grill, not even a foot away from the line, it reaching over 100 degrees F because of the grill and it being Missouri. I did nothing but sweat my entire shift. Not to mention I dreamed hearing "Reg meat!" Over and over again.

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u/NoCurrency6 13d ago

My town is currently going through this. Every place has help wanted signs up because nobody wants to risk catching a life threatening illness for minimum wage.

Yet store owners just can’t seem to figure out why nobody is applying for their high stress and low pay employment. It’s a real head scratcher, that one.

Now it’s starting to manifest itself as angry customers when they’re having to wait extended times for their product or to check out at the register. Or stores are closing early since they can’t find someone to cover the later shifts.

I’m hoping this ends up as a positive and places start recognizing that without the hourly workers, there’s less money to be made so they should start paying and treating them right. I know it’ll never happen, but a man can dream...

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u/lordxdeagaming 13d ago

I work at a McDonald's that has this issue, though all the fast food in my area has this issue. The problem is the owners don't think that the people working there even deserves the $9 an hour they get now. They don't even lose money because 4 good workers and 10 good workers will run a similar amount of money made for the company, less pay makes up for the loss of orders. The only loser are the workers thst have to do 10 peoples worth of work, and the owners give no fucks for those kids. We all are 15-25 mostly 17.

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u/fuzzyrach 13d ago

Any time I read a job advertisement and it says "high energy, fast paced, multi tasking, etc" I nope right on over it. That kind of stress is not usually worth what they're paying. I know I can be a good employee that works hard and gets shit done, I learn fast and can work independently, I have no desire to be micromanaged and rushed into fucking up and stressed into a panic attack. Guess I'll remain self employed. :/

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u/K-teki 13d ago

I've never worked fast food (though I did a few weeks as a dishwasher at a restaurant). I make $15/h as a recycling sorter; I literally spend 8 hours grabbing plastic off a conveyor belt and get paid more than people who have to cook, clean, and deal with asshole customers. It's ridiculous.

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u/PukeBucket_616 13d ago

I've never worked "fast food," but I was a line cook for years and yeah, fuckin' job is hard. I'm excellent at it, took great pride in my work and absolutely kicked ass in the kitchen... for $2.00/hr over minimum wage.

Everyone should quit those jobs. If mcdonald's isn't sending people to culinary school to advance their careers, it shouldn't fucking be a starter job, it should die and go to hell.

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u/RLBunny 13d ago

I've never worked fast food, but it's so insane that people completely write it off saying that no one will work other jobs if they can just "flip burgers" all day. McDonald's could offer me 15% over what I'm making now and I'd still keep my current job over dealing with that mess.

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u/Machaeon 13d ago

Anyone who says it's easy has never worked it.

Do you need skill or experience? No.

Is it hot and grueling work with a constant risk of burns? Yes.

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u/Captain_Bawlz 13d ago

What even are skills and experience anymore? I've been in the military, missile defense, state gov, etc. None of these jobs required the skills and knowhow it took me to run a small department at Walmart several years ago. That job was tough. Now I make double what I did then sitting on ass and printing fuel reports for my municipality. 1/50th of my responsibilities at Walmart easily. And I know so many people that have jobs just like this. Y'all know what I'm talking about.

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u/Tiger_Robocop 13d ago

What even are skills and experience anymore?

It's just buzzwords. I used to work with programming and HR didnt know half the things they were asking. They asked for people to have experience using a dead programming language that none of their systems use, or to be knowledgeable on how to create apps even though your job will just be maintenance on a browser-focused website.

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u/LifeStill 13d ago

Currently trying to get out of food service, like a lot of people. Just gotta make it one more year til I get into law school...

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u/JosiahGiese 13d ago

I work at Jimmy Johns as a driver, and I happen to be in a really nice area so I make incredible tips, but the inshoppers make minimum and we’re having a shortage. I really hope that Jimmy Johns is forced to raise wages to attract workers, or is forced to close some locations

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u/Atheist-Gods 13d ago

I'm just reminded of a news segment I saw a year or two ago about Cape Cod struggling to get people to work at nursing homes. They were blaming it on "aging population" and "young people don't care about the elderly" going on about how teens would rather work at McDonald's. Maybe a job that involves cleaning up literal shit should pay more than minimum wage. People preferring to work in fast food because it pays more and doesn't involve cleaning up as much shit should tell you to raise wages.

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u/Tiger_Robocop 13d ago

"young people don't care about the elderly"

I loathe these people who want to frame jobs as a moral issue. They are the same people who wouldnt think twice about firing you if it meant an increase in profits.

I'm not working for you as a favor; fuck you pay me.

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u/SlayerMkI 13d ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=of0tRYfX_ok

Shit pay. Long hours. Dealing with Karens all day.

When even immigrants desperate for money don't want to work for you, then you know it is shit work.

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u/Vaidurya 13d ago

When working with literal shit pays at least hazard pay for the hassle...

And then you have to clean the restrooms that one time... Kids (and adults!) should have the right to tell their employers to pound sand when asked to clean biohazards. Especially without PPE/considerations/compensation for it. Smh.

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u/Auto_Traitor 13d ago

They do, it's illegal without proper training, but nobody knows this or they feel they can't enforce it.

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u/Vaidurya 13d ago

They technically do, but I've met enough managers that would gladly ignore these laws to know that employers, by and large, hate when employees hold them accountable, and do everything in their power to prevent it. Not to mention, if someone were to say no in this kind of situation, most likely it'd just be an arguing match where the employee quits and walks out. You can't sue for wrongful termination in that situation, and the cost of court fees to even try and fight against allowing a business to do such things (quitting due to duress, providing improper safety measures for certain tasks, etc) is daunting enough that few bother to try.

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u/NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr 13d ago

Same. I got out twenty years ago and wouldn't wish that existence on anyone. Couldn't afford to eat on my days off. Went to work sick cuz one lost day of wages would be a landslide into colossal debt. Fuck ALL people who treat workers this way!

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u/GrifCreeper 13d ago

My mother just yesterday was going on about how "nobody wants to work at these places despite the millions of people claiming unemployment", but absolutely refused to take my point that if these places can't keep employees, then I wouldn't want to work for them, either. She adamantly believes that people are just lazy, and that the low worker turnout means absolutely nothing for why nobody wants tthe jobs. That somehow a job people keep quitting isn't the problem, but the "lazy assholes sitting on their asses collecting free money" is the actual problem.

Instead of, you know, understanding that people not wanting to work there will deter other people from wanting to work there, because there's probably a real goddamn reason if it keeps happening. But nah, it's the lazy people who want free money.

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u/skintigh 13d ago

"nobody wants to work at these places despite the millions of people claiming unemployment", but absolutely refused to take my point that if these places can't keep employees, then I wouldn't want to work for them, either.

But their employees cannot collect unemployment for quitting.

If their employees are getting unemployment, that means the employer laid them off during the pandemic (to avoid financial loss) and are now demanding the poorest of workers take a financial loss and come back to work for less pay than an unemployment check.

How dare employees make the same rational financial decision as employers!!! It's lazy and immoral when they do it!!!

Even worse, some of those workers may be using that time and money towards education and learn skills to get out of poverty and improve their lives!!! Oh the Sean Hannity!!!

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u/GrifCreeper 13d ago

Pretty much the point I was trying to make. There's usually a reason for people not working somewhere, and it rarely, if ever, boils down to "the unemployed are at fault". Especially considering the last year showed how much most of these companies actually cared for their employees to begin with.

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u/NO_FIX_AUTOCORRECT 13d ago

These people on unemployment had better paying jobs they were laid off from. They want to get similar pay in their next job, which makes sense.

And then knowing if you take this min wage job you'll make the same or less money but instead you'll have to work 40+ hours. Dumb dumb dumb.

Also to mention that the laid off people are searching for jobs while acting as stay at home parent because scjools had been all at home, or why would you keep paying for daycare if one parent is currently unemployed?

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u/FabulousTrade 13d ago

Some people are so deeper in denial than most coffins are in the ground.

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u/FabulousTrade 13d ago

I finished school in 2008 and I've been trying to climb out of that ditch since.

I remember back then that Time magazine called us "kidults" in a perjorative way. It still pisses me off to this day.

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u/ghostalker4742 13d ago

Yeah, your generation got rightly fucked. You made it through the recession in the aftermath of Sept 11, then had the recession of 2008. And if you decided to stay in school another 4yrs, you'd come out in the middle of the 2012 recession.

But you try explaining that, and they just say you're lazy.

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u/ProgrammingOnHAL9000 13d ago

In latin america, the term used was NiNi, "Ni estudia, Ni trabaja", neither worked not studies. In my country, the backslash to that was from young adults with government paid masters programs and PhD earned from abroad that couldn't get a job.

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u/No-Comedian-5424 13d ago

I was following a dude on a music forum who lost his job at age 61 at the very beginning of the trump years. He was so convinced that the “booming” economy meant that he would magically be able to walk into any interview with a firm handshake and walk out with an even better job than before.

A year later, he was losing his house and openly discussing suicide. Conservative thinking is never in line with reality.

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u/cerevant 13d ago

She believes - like the rest of the Republican Party - that the unemployed should be punished for not taking shit jobs at shit pay. That this is the lot in life that they chose, and they should suck it up and deal with it.

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u/My_Bouche_Is_Amused 13d ago

But I thought these jobs were not 'real jobs', they are for kids who want pocket money. /s

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u/OrneryPathos 13d ago

“Why aren’t you kids in school” some boomer mad at the person making their burger

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u/kciuq1 13d ago

"Why are you working here on Thanksgiving?"

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u/Machaeon 13d ago

"Shouldn't you be in church?" - Sunday morning breakfast crowd

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA 13d ago

And then they leave those fake $10 bills with a bible quote on them as a "tip".

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u/Ishmael75 13d ago

I shuddered when I read that. I hated the Sunday church crowd. Always the most demanding , condescending jerks & the worst tippers too!

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u/kendoka69 13d ago

They’re doing the Lord’s work.

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u/greed-man 13d ago

Specifically, Republicans have always believed "The only reason you are not rich is because you are too lazy or too stupid."

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u/cerevant 13d ago

Which is kind of ironic when there are so many Republicans who are not rich...

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u/Artemis829 13d ago

That's only for other people. The reason *I'm* poor is because I'm just down on my luck. /s

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u/greed-man 13d ago

That's where the "You SHOULD be rich, but that other guy (who doesn't look or think like you) stole it from you."

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u/moonknlght 13d ago

I believe the term is “temporarily embarrassed millionaires”.

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u/justmyrealname 13d ago

Well they are very stupid

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u/Haikuna__Matata 13d ago

This is known as the Just World fallacy, where everyone deserves everything that happens to them and everyone brought it all on themselves, good or bad.

It’s why they see the rich as innately good; if they were bad, they wouldn’t be rich.

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u/a8bmiles 13d ago

The party of "Personal Responsibility", meaning that since you're personally responsible for everything bad that happens to you, I'm completely absolved of any guilt for leaving you dying in the gutter instead of even considering helping.

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u/ScammerC 13d ago

Slaves can never rise above their place.

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u/lexkixass 13d ago

This sums it up completely.

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u/MexicansAreCool 13d ago

It’s the fundamental-attribution error, and they refuse to alter their understanding and it’s so annoying.

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u/fuzzyrach 13d ago

Just be born rich, duh. /s

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u/johangubershmidt 13d ago

This last year revealed the doublethink behind all that; tell people they're "essential workers" mid crisis and then when they ask for a wage they can live off of and hours that would give them time to do their own thing, tell them their job is for high schoolers and that they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Treat them like shit for being poor cause they get paid in peanuts even though they keep the wheels turning. Who would want that job?

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u/superoboe87 13d ago

Lol if the person quit willingly because the job was a demeaning shitshow, then what free money are they getting? This argument always baffles me... do these people not understand how that process works?

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u/Eldanoron 13d ago

No, they don’t. They’ve never been on unemployment so they have no clue how that works.

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u/Machaeon 13d ago

If they're running on a skeleton crew as it is, I don't see why anyone would want to work there with that level of stress and knowing you won't have days off because they can't afford to lose a single person and the second anyone sneezes, you're getting called in on your days off.

Only thing where a severe need for employees would be a good thing is if it's a startup that's likely to take off or the industry is booming and they just need more people to fit the demand... so opportunity for growth and moving up the ladder is obvious.

But this is fast food. It's a dead end job with no skill requirement and you're just a replaceable cog so you don't even matter to them.

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u/pacifica333 13d ago

"You know, mom, you are free to apply there, too."

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u/Sttocs 13d ago

I love this one. People complain that unemployment or welfare is money for nothing, yet are never tempted to give it a try. Guess they love working that much.

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u/YahwehAlmuerzo 13d ago

Yeah people are loving $20k/year unemployment

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u/clanddev 13d ago

There is 6% U3 unemployment when the historical average over the last 30 years is 4.5%. We're talking about 1.5% above average unemployment and of those how many are out of a job that paid 2, 3, 4x what a fast food job would.

The people they are complaining about are out of work white collar workers who would rather live in a van down by the river than drop fries all day and teen kids of middle class families where the parents decided nope not working a part time job in covid we don't need the money. Also pretty sure those middle class parents were pretty turned off by the idea of their kid being yelled at by some anti mask, anti vax nut job. Nothing really changed with the perpetually unemployed 4.5% that come and go.

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u/IAmNotAWoodenDuck 13d ago

Man, becoming an adult during the late 2000s was a trip. "If you work hard, you'll get the job you want. You don't want to work at McDonald's do you?" turned into "what? Is McDonald's not good enough for you? You can't just expect to get the job you want just because you worked for it" real fast.

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u/St_Kevin_ 13d ago

Which turned into “You need to work 2 full time jobs to pay rent and buy food and be one paycheck away from homelessness? What are you whining about? You took those jobs, it’s your choice”

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u/My_Bouche_Is_Amused 13d ago

And "why don't you start your own business instead!"

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u/axonxorz 13d ago

Don't forget all hobbies becoming side-hustles out of necessity. "Heyy, you could probably sell that"

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u/wolfiewu 13d ago

Oh my fucking god I can't stand it when I hear that. I'm incredibly saddened at why my friends say that, and it's so maddening to hear about how I could try to squeeze out another $100 from the 15 hours I spent making a dress or how when I go for hikes I can look for wild edible shit I can re-sell to bougie restaurants for some cash.

This isn't normal for a country that's this wealthy.

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u/PM_ME_UR_POKIES_GIRL 13d ago

This country isn't wealthy. There's a few hundred people who are wealthy and the rest of us can get fucked.

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u/DontHateDefenestrate 13d ago

My personal favorite is… “just eat one meal a day for a year, turn off your heat and wear extra layers in the winter, hitchhike to both of your full time jobs! You’ll save enough for a downpayment on your first property! tHeRez nO rEaSoN tO bE pOoR…”

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u/ReefSteele 13d ago

It's when the people who are the most hard hit start staying this, that you realise the propaganda is effective. Or my personal favorite, those who's parents paid a down payment on their first property. They conveniently forgot that's how they got a leg up in the first place.

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u/FPSXpert 13d ago

Just stop drinking Starbucks coffees and stop eating avocado toast daily, and ask your dad for a job at his million dollar company, can't be that hard can it? /s

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u/GeniusOfLove74 13d ago

I have a degree in business management.

After I got that degree, I was still working in food service.

Degrees don't promise you shit.

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u/clanddev 13d ago

I got a degree in business management as well. Ended up working a couple of office jobs that did not require a degree to begin with.

Got a second major in computer science. That went much better.

I still think college is worth it if you are interested in a job that requires it but long gone are the days of do what you love or figuring out what you want to do while there. You need to know what majors are employable and exactly what you are going to do while you are there. Take AP credit courses, community college classes for credit before actually going so you are done in 3.5 or 4 years not 5. Pick a school based on price and employability in the area also not just the best one you got into.

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u/poisontongue 13d ago edited 13d ago

Boomers can't even keep their lies straight anymore. They've moved into the verbal and mental abuse stage now.

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u/Tells_you_a_tale 13d ago edited 13d ago

It's because they're trying to stop people from realizing the country they set up in the 60s 70s and 80s was an entirely unsustainable ponzi scheme based on no country ever being able to challenge the US economically. They expected to be dead before their wanton destruction of America's future came to call.

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u/AgentSmith187 13d ago

It was like that in the 90s too.

I loved the whole why don't you own a house already. I had one by 25 and my mortgage was paid off by 30!

Nevermind a house costs more than 5 times my yearly wage before tax now and I have achieved better job than my parents had and still have.

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u/dumbmotherclucker 13d ago

Don’t forget all the boomers who wanted to pay us in ~experience~ working as their unpaid interns. Then our entire generation was called lazy for still living with our parents when so many jobs out of school paid literally zero dollars.

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u/indirectdelete 13d ago

Something that people fail to consider is that if it really was a job for teenagers/high school students, no fast food places would be open for them to get lunch. Change their operating hours to 4-10pm and see how furious they get.

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u/maindrive99 13d ago

It's like all the people considered essential workers. They didn't get a raise, they didn't get sick days just in case, and a list of things, but they were given a piece of paper on how they are valued. And now that the pandemic is coming to an end they are being labeled as entry level workers.

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u/Ankoku_Teion 13d ago

According to Marxist thought it's the ground level workers that are most essential. The higher up the ladder you go, the less necessary that job is to keeping a place running day to day.

Covid has led to tacit confirmation of this by many businesses.

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u/ACoN_alternate 13d ago

Shit, we didn't even get a bit of paper. I'm currently out on quarantine because I was exposed at work, and my boss is unhappy with me for it, despite doing absolutely nothing to protect us in the first place.

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u/maindrive99 13d ago

Yea that's real bs. I wish more people would have seen the failures of the American system. It's a load of shit we don't actually care for each other.

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u/jawnyman 13d ago

A simple solution to your problem: eat your boss. 1) they won't be mad at you anymore 2) you have more food on the table. 3) more room to move up in the company. Problem solved.

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u/N2Gen 13d ago edited 13d ago

Makes me think of my 17 yo niece who worked her first ever gig at McD’s in the last two months and walked out after one week.

She cites a shitty manager who didn’t fully teach her the ropes but did rush her at all times. All of my brothers and myself backed her up on leaving; I’ve never worked fast food but it sounds like a complete shit hole just one week in. Imagine a year or more.

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u/ZekkPacus 13d ago

No food service job ever trains anyone properly. I was in the industry for over a decade and constantly fighting for more training time for new hires - nope, they get two weeks (if you're lucky) then they're expected to be fully productive. Beyond that the answer is to 'learn as you go', whilst getting screamed at by customers and (bad) managers (of which there are many, because it's food service) the whole way through, while in the office the data munchers wonder at the awful 12 month retention figures and scratch their heads over what's to be done.

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u/InuGhost 13d ago

It's not just food service.

Got promoted at my Bill Review job. Have had to figure out how to do my job myself. Was literally told "do what you can, and ask questions if you don't know."

Next time my new manga asks of I need re-training I'm going to say "yes, because you likely got more training than me at this point."

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u/pinniped1 13d ago

If you can't get a burger because people won't work at McDonald's, then you should be pissed at McDonald's for their shitty work environment and shitty pay.

This isn't a minimum wage issue. Mcdonald's could pay people more, and pay them enough to manage turnover. They just don't want to.

"But wouldn't that make a burger more expensive?!?". Yea, might nudge the price higher by a few cents, but the food is already so fucking cheap I'd happily pay more for a well-staffed store with workers who don't hate being there.

I worked food service for $4/hr but it was a mom & pop joint that we actually liked. The owner was cool and supported the kids who worked there, and sponsored local schools and youth sports teams. Everywhere paid about the same but we liked working for this place far better than people liked working for chains.

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u/Jevonar 13d ago

Not even that. People always think that increasing the production costs would increase the cost of the finished product.

But what if the increased production cost was paid with... Lower profit margins?

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u/lexkixass 13d ago

BUT MAH MONEYS /gag

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u/DarthKyrie 13d ago

It could be paid for in a more preferable way; increase in business due to more people having money to spend.

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u/BreadyStinellis 13d ago

McDonald's pays $15/hour in my area (legal minimum is $7.25) because they needed to attract employees years ago. The price has gone up, but only since the start of covid when the price of literally everything went up. The service and quality has also gone up with the increase in their pay... weird how that works.

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u/orchidbloom8 13d ago

I've been watching the McDonald's by my house slowly creep up the advertised wages on their sign. Started at $11, now it's up to $15 and they're still begging for help. It's absolutely beautiful watching all these shit employers cry about not having employees willing to work there.

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u/demalteb 13d ago

"But wouldn't that make a burger more expensive?!?"

Then cook your own food, like my grandma.. and my mum... and more often than not, me and my wife.

I'm not even THAT old, from a (back then) above-average income family, and even so, I remember when eating at restaurants, including fast food, was the exception.

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u/lordxdeagaming 13d ago

I've worked at McDonald's for about a year. Our McDonald's has raised the price of every item across the board. We don't have a single thing anymore that is a $1 besides the drinks. A mcdouble, which is a sandwich with 2 peices of meat on it costs $2. Our pay has not increased. We do not have benefits of any kind. They haven't even replaced any of the equipment that keeps on breaking, We just live with it. All of the food and recipes are the same top. All that money is going directly of the owners. They could easily have used that money to pay people more and have more, better workers. The price already went up, but instead of better food your paying more for the same shit.

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u/KarrostheDecapitator 13d ago

Sounds like they just want people to be generationally poor, and to take it quietly.

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u/wildwildwaste 13d ago

I went to Wendy's the other day and when I got to the window after what was probably a 15 minute wait (not during a meal rush, it was like 2:30) the guy at the window said, "Hey, sorry for the long wait." and I could tell this dude was just defeated. He'd probably been yelled at up and down by a bunch of people in front of me and figured I was gonna yell too. I told him to just relax and take it easy. Shit's rough right now and he's obviously doing the best he can. Take a breath and tell any of these assholes that if they have a problem with the wait then they can go home and make their own hamburger. Shit, I sat in my car and browsed Reddit for 15 minutes. It was still way easier than and less stressful than cooking something at home.

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u/poisontongue 13d ago edited 13d ago

"Noooo we demand servants who will fetch us our shitty burgers for next to nothing!"

Shit pay, shit conditions, shit jobs that are supposedly essential and yet starter jobs for bored teenagers at the same time. And somehow the employers and customers aren't the entitled ones here.

Indentured servitude, or slavery, if you will, never went away, they just found a way to keep it legal.

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u/scaylos1 13d ago

Forced labor, or slavery, if you will, is still literally a thing. The 13th banned it except in the case of punishment. You'll never guess what segment of the population is disproportionately imprisoned in the former CSA and subjected to forced labor for profit.

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u/SprinklesFancy5074 13d ago

As an extra special bonus, some of that slave labor is farmed out in contracts to private companies, including (drum roll please) ... fast food restaurants.

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u/TheNosferatu 13d ago

Oh come on, that's not fair. They don't all have shitty burgers!

Agree with your other points, though.

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u/shaodyn 13d ago

Fast food jobs are obviously for teenagers. That's why every fast food restaurant in America is closed between 6 am and 4 pm, Monday through Friday, between late August and early June.

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u/Etrigone 13d ago edited 12d ago

Many years ago in high school I worked in a local supermarket, in the produce department. It paid a little above minimum wage at the time, maybe 20%, and although it wasn't a great job it was okay.

I came back from my first year of college and they'd filled my position - no duh there and no sentiment against them - so I took a job working at a local Burger King.

Oh my god that sucked. Paid worse than the supermarket (trivially above minimum wage), but nastier, hotter, more rushed, shittier people especially and mostly in management. Perhaps the cringiest of all was the "rah rah rah! we live to serve!" bullshit they pushed. A woman I'd gone to high school with was working her way up the corporate ladder (or so she claimed); I was never close friends with her but talking to her it sounded like she was selling her soul.

Ugh 0/10 would not recommend, and worst of all this was quite some time ago. I am 100% certain my experience was heaven compared to how it goes today.

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u/FabulousTrade 13d ago

You'd think someone who gets paid more than minimum wage would afford something other than fast food to eat.

I remember Karens walking up to the counter and bitching that the workers added pickle when she requested not to have any. Just pick it off yourself, or go eat at Chez Whatever.

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u/NobleOodfellow 13d ago

Yeah, but Chez Whatever can and will refuse to “make it your way”. That’s why Karen and Kyle are yelling at the WAY underpaid fast food worker.

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u/JackPoe 13d ago

I fucking love telling customers no.

"Can you bring my tartare up to medium well?"

"Sure can't!"

It's probably my favorite part.

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u/Auriok88 13d ago

If they aren't increasing wages along with the supply of labor dropping, then what the fuck is the free market?

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u/WhoTooted 13d ago

That's what will happen, or they'll go out of business.

It just takes time.

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u/ttchoubs 13d ago

The "job for teenagers" argument was always a bad faith one, just from the data alone the majority of people working min wage are 30+, the market has already decided who these jobs are for. Not even considering that, if it was only for teenagers you would only be able to get service between 3-8 pm, since nearly all teenagers have SCHOOL.

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u/DutchNDutch 13d ago

Remember working at McD for 3,65€/h as an 18 y/o while gas was 1,70€/liter for my scooter/moped.....

Quit after a year and went in construction for 7,5€/ which quickly went to 12€.

All PRE-Tax to make it even worse. No wonder people do something else instead.

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u/TheBoozehound 13d ago

I always looked at in terms of consumer value. If a dude makes 50 bucks an hour, and doesn't have to make dinner because he bought a McNugg combo, then that McNugg combo is surely worth more than the $7.25 fed minimum wage, right? I make more than that fed min, and I'll tell you what, my free time in not having to make dinner is definitely worth more to me that $7.25. Thankfully, in CA our min wage is much higher than the fed, and I fully support a $15 hike.

Also, I worked fast food when I was younger, and have held minimum wage jobs up until maybe 4 years ago. I can definitely say that the rigor of work I did in those minimum wage jobs was on par or higher than what I currently do now.

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u/cranakis 13d ago

And these mutherfuckers are mad that the former employees are not forced to choose between working for poverty wages and homelessness/hunger.

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u/EridanusVoid 13d ago

Here is what should pay a livable wage:

1st: Have A job

There is nothing else.

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u/Keeeva 13d ago

Also because teenagers are generally in school during people’s lunch break. So even if they wanted to work for pennies, they couldn’t...