r/CryptoCurrency
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u/Lord-Nagafen
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What are you going to do with your Ethereum once it is unlocked? DISCUSSION
We are getting very close to the Ethereum unlock, the Shapella hard fork is scheduled for April 12. About 15% of the total Ethereum supply is current locked up which means there is going to be a lot of crypto suddenly available to move around.
Current yield from staking is around 4-5%. Not bad. Safe. But after playing around in SushiSwap you start seeing more options out there to park your crypto.
If you have Eth that’s locked up, what are you going to do with it going forward? Keep it staked, sell, or do you have other plans?
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u/mronki Apr 01 '23
Ill keep it staked. Having option to unstake it will ease my mind though
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u/OneThatNoseOne Platinum | QC: CC 40 Apr 01 '23
Definitely. I imagine seeing FTX fall and your funds frozen was terrifying.
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u/memotothenemo Apr 02 '23
You cant just unstake it when you need it. Staked eth will still be a somewhat illiquid asset. Only so many validators can unstake each epoch (I believe 7) so you may still have to wait months to be able to move/use your eth.
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u/Hermes_Trismagistus Apr 01 '23
Hold for the long term.
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u/Every_Hunt_160 Platinum | QC: CC 672 | r/SSB 10 Apr 01 '23
There are only 2 coins I trust for the long term: Bitcoin and Ethereum.
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u/French_physicist Apr 01 '23
I wish I could forget about my BTC and ETH holdings and remember in 10 years
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u/Every_Hunt_160 Platinum | QC: CC 672 | r/SSB 10 Apr 01 '23
Just leaving it in the cold wallet helps a great deal for me.
I very rarely transfer stuff out of my cold wallet because number 1: I already subconsciously see it as a 'bank' and number 2: there is a 'physical barrier' to connect your hardware, manually key in your password before transferring out to sell.. it's not as accessible of just accessing your metamask and selling or transferring your Eth to an exchange, you know?
If I was to transfer out of my cold wallet to sell, that would have to be something important like cashing out for an 'emergency' or an important life event.
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u/iwakan Tech Apr 01 '23
Well, if you want to, you can. It's easy to lock up your ETH for a given time in a smart contract.
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u/FldLima Permabanned Apr 01 '23
Bitcoin and Ethereum have certainly proven themselves to be reliable and are never a wrong choice.
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u/FldLima Permabanned Apr 01 '23
Bitcoin and Ethereum have certainly proven themselves to be reliable and are never a wrong choice.
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u/imbarrydylan Apr 01 '23
Everyone starts out liking the alts, but sooner or later we all realise ETH and BTC were the ones all along.
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u/ChaoticNeutralNephew Apr 01 '23
Convert profit to MOONs and provide LP
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u/badfishbeefcake Silver | QC: CC 100 | ADA 32 | PoliticalHumor 42 Apr 01 '23
People are not planning to do that already?
p.s: I never ⬇️, I only 🆙!
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u/Objective_Digit Apr 01 '23
ETH is down 57% vs Bitcoin. It has yet to recapture its 2017 sats ATH. Only Bitcoin can be trusted long term.
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u/sluttyseinfeld Tin | r/WSB 280 Apr 01 '23
This is a little misleading. In the last cycle ETH did nearly 50x from bottom to top. BTC did around 17x. It’s higher beta so it moves more up and down but right now we’re at the tail end of a bear market.
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u/yamaha4fun Tin | LRC 75 | GME subs 71 Apr 01 '23
Can I get some of them moons? insert crackhead meme
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u/Popular_District9072 Tin | CRO 9 Apr 01 '23
perfect trio; moon icon would be cooler if it was rotating clockwise
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u/JERMYNC Permabanned Apr 01 '23
Moons are different!?
They Balance each other out?! BTC and Eth moving slower in one direction.
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u/godofleet Apr 01 '23
There are only 2 coins I trust for the long term: Bitcoin and Ethereum.
I really don't understand why anyone who holds BTC holds ETH long term as well, it's like subscribing to gold and stacking spray painted lead on the side to me...
consider if you wish, any/all:
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u/Every_Hunt_160 Platinum | QC: CC 672 | r/SSB 10 Apr 01 '23
A bit dismissive of Eth, it seems?
The reality is that a large majority of the innovation and developments in the crypto has been going and building on the Ethereum Network, and not Bitcoin.
Bitcoin has its worth as a store of value, and THE OG cryptocurrency/digital gold. But its development has stopped, you won't see any new innovations on it (unless you consider Ordinals to be one, I don't).
Ethereum is the one that will take the innovation in the space forward. And for this reason, both of them works hand in hand for the crypto space, you need both of them and not just one.
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u/ScoobaMonsta Apr 02 '23
And Monero to provide privacy. Atomic swaps connects each network and allows true anonymous decentralised p2p swapping.
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u/godofleet Apr 01 '23
But its [bitcoin's] development has stopped, you won't see any new innovations on it
IMO, that's just intellectually dishonest and/or short sighted.
It's clearly not true in the slightest... Bitcoin is always improving https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
https://zenbitcoin.net/revolutionizing-bitcoin-the-lightning-network-explained/
Consider any/all of the original YT perspectives... this isn't about innovation, it's about what is the best digital monetary good/network... Eth is an unsupervised playground of greed and deception wrapped around one person's vision/leadership.... Compared to Bitcoin it's just another central bank...
https://www.axios.com/2023/03/09/new-york-ethereum-blockchain-eth
Eth is clearly less decentralized and secure than Bitcoin as proven by the fact that the creator is still involved/guiding and benefiting from the project... And the change PoS made the situation worse... Eth is being censored/regulated similarly to existing broken financial systems that Bitcoin competes with.
https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2023/03/09/what-happens-if-ethereum-is-a-security/
And IMO, this isn't even a matter of "IF" anymore... Eth clearly passes the Howey test and is on a clear course to obscurity like every other centralized attempt at "discovering" something that's already been discovered (decentralized mathematical scarcity and transmissibility within an inclusive to secure and use network)
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u/corn-potage Bronze | 5 months old Apr 01 '23 edited 12d ago
IMO, that's just intellectually dishonest and/or short sighted.
OFAC is down to 27%, and it was never censored, because all transactions eventually go through.
This is the difference between Bitcoin and Ethereum communities. Ethereum communities put the truth out in the world and have communities come up with solutions, while Bitcoin put problems under the rug like the lingering security budget issues, calling potential solutions like Covenants, or even Ordinals as "attacks on the network", and pray that number goes up.
Lightning Network is also a cash grab by VCs, which will trend towards centralization with the hub-and-spoke model, basically mimicing the traditional banking system, where routing fees go to the hubs with the most liquidity. Normies running lightning channels are running them at a cost, with 0 profit, so it's unsustainable. Also, transaction fees barely go to the miners, affecting the long term security budget of the chain.
Not to mention, the non-custodial UX is so bad and unusable, people need to use custodial Lightning wallets like Wallet of Satoshi. 95% of Nostr users with Lightning address set use custodial wallets lmao. So much for decentralization.
Rollups on the other hand, with the decentralized sequencers and validity/fault proofs trend toward decentralization, and gas fees are paid directly by rollups to help keep the chain running.
Without Ethereum, Bitcoin community would not have even considered https://bitcoinrollups.com/, or ZeroSync https://zerosync.org/ without StarkWare's Cairo on Ethereum, and other various innovations that have been borne thanks to the Ethereum community. You should actually be giving credit to Ethereum for being the leader with research, and there's a reason for that.. Ethereum has 6x more active developers than Bitcoin, according to https://www.developerreport.com/
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u/Every_Hunt_160 Platinum | QC: CC 672 | r/SSB 10 Apr 02 '23
Best comeback I’ve seen in this sub
You just gave him a third degree burn and more! Seems like you sent him back and I don’t think he’s ever coming back to cc/sub again lmao
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u/The_Lombard_Fox Tin Apr 01 '23
Yeah, I'm seriously debating just putting it all in cold storage vs staking it again.
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u/milehigh89 Platinum | QC: CC 592, BAT 135 | Politics 25 Apr 01 '23
If you stake it's like a Dividend Stock, you get passive income and upside on the asset itself. It's like Microsoft in the 90s.
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u/No_Weather682 Platinum | QC: CC 83 Apr 01 '23
Sometimes doing nothing is the best thing to do.
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u/szerted Tin Apr 01 '23
Like seriously. Almost everyone of those who staked understood that it is a long term 'investment'. It's like, I understand some might have something important in life that needs the funds.. but why would anyone else just sell?
If you believe that Ether is the future, why not continue providing the support for it? Wouldn't rewards increase as other people will unstake their ETH?
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u/FldLima Permabanned Apr 01 '23
You know it, man. Holding for the long term waiting for that 10k prophecy
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u/pizza-chit fiat miner and burner Apr 01 '23
Staking it again because I think it will go up in value and I want more
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u/Every_Hunt_160 Platinum | QC: CC 672 | r/SSB 10 Apr 01 '23
Bear market really is the best time to stake and just accumulate some more because there is no point in selling.
Bull market is the time you should be careful about locked staking, because there's a chance you miss the peak while your coins are still locked. That happened with LUNA for some people, couldn't sell while their coins were staked and shit went south.
But for Ethereum there really is no point selling in a bear market and now is the best time to continue staking and accumulate more until the bull comes.
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u/CryptoDogs Tin Apr 01 '23
Suppose it depends on how long the line is to get out. That is what I'm interested in. Exactly how long will that line get.
During a bull run it could very well get even longer.
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u/mediumraresteaks2003 Apr 01 '23
How are y'all staking yours?
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u/pizza-chit fiat miner and burner Apr 01 '23
On Coinbase like an idiot, but it’s just a small portion of my bag
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u/mediumraresteaks2003 Apr 01 '23
Same I have like $200 in ETH on Binance staking. I just kinda want it out now to put in another wallet for safe keeping.
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u/kirtash93 The Ash Ketchum of Crypto | Gotta Catch 'Em All Apr 01 '23
There is no other way. Winter is reaching its end. I will sell next ATH.
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u/astockstonk Silver|QC:CC594,ETH66,BTC41|CelsiusNet.257|TraderSubs29 Apr 01 '23
Please let me know when we are at the next ATH
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u/Hardbreachx Permabanned Apr 01 '23
Happy Cake Day!! You're a moon/staking inspiration to us all!
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u/forrestugly Platinum | QC: CC 627 Apr 01 '23
This post should have a poll, because everybody us going to say the same 3 things
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u/Kappatalizable Platinum | QC: CC 846 Apr 01 '23
Lock it again
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u/Popular_District9072 Tin | CRO 9 Apr 01 '23
what's the optimal place to do it? hesitant to move it anywhere from ledger
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u/RandoStonian Silver | QC: CC 204, BTC 143, ETH 74 | ADA 65 | Politics 68 Apr 01 '23 edited Apr 02 '23
Just trade ETH for rETH (rocketpool staked ETH, decentralized) or stETH (LIDO staked ETH with a well known, but centralized company) on Uniswap.org and hold those tokens in your Ledger.
Protip: Use a separate wallets for 'holding' vs. 'DeFi' interactions, so if you someday get scammed into signing a malicious "go ahead and drain my funds at your leisure" contract, your main funds are still safe.
edit - Protip2: fees are lower if you do your trades using Optimism or Arbitrum instead of mainnet Ethereum (edit: but be aware of the security tradeoffs before making that decision! https://l2beat.com/ may be helpful here). You can send regular ETH to Coinbase, then withdraw it as Arbitrum-ETH or Optimism-ETH for no additional fees to do whatever trades and holding you want to do.
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u/yanwoo Platinum | QC: CC 48 Apr 01 '23
Holding eth on Arbitrum or optimism is not the same as holding on ethereum. Eth is only native on ethereum. Everywhere else = additional risk. That includes L2s.
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u/cannainform2 Apr 01 '23
Wait... does it all become unlocked? Like I thought, if I don't unlock it, it stays locked, no?
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u/rootpl Moonwalker Apr 01 '23
I sold mine for 750% profit during the last bull run. Not sure why staking is so popular. What's the current APR on ETH staking? How long would one need to stake to make say 200%?
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u/MaeronTargaryen Your friendly neighborhood dragonlord Apr 01 '23
Mine is on rocketpool but I would hold for the long term, no reason to cash out now
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u/nick83487 Platinum | QC: CC 829 Apr 01 '23
Probably keep it staked
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u/MaeronTargaryen Your friendly neighborhood dragonlord Apr 01 '23
Makes sense, enjoy the APR whilst ETH has almost no inflation and cash out in the bull
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u/bananainbeijing Apr 01 '23
yeh the people that are savvy enough to stake ETH know that now is not the time to sell unless you really need to money
almost everyone I know that has been through 1-2 cycles are waiting until the next bull run before even beginning to think about selling
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u/Brian8301 1 - 2 years account age. -15 - 35 comment karma. Apr 01 '23
I’m not touching mine till 2030 at the minimum.
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u/binglelemon Apr 01 '23
Dollars or the year? Lol
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u/diskowmoskow Platinum | QC: ATOM 23, CC 20 | r/AMD 92 Apr 01 '23 edited Apr 02 '23
After the merge ETH is getting burned everyday, u/binglelemon choose to burn ETH holders.
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u/EngineeringFinal3419 Banned Apr 01 '23
Come back and say that next year 😅
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u/IamAFlaw Platinum | QC: ETH 209, CC 61, XMR 20 | MiningSubs 86 Apr 01 '23
I have never cashed out crypto. Most I did was convert my shitcoins like BTC to Eth. It is packed away, staked, and it will stay there for 300 years. When I awaken I would own the world.
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u/superfaced Tin Apr 01 '23
Get it off Coinbase and restake
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u/CrimsonFox99 Platinum | QC: CC 24 Apr 01 '23
The real answer. Too much regulatory risk there. Also a good reason to be bullish on RPL given a possible new influx of stakers and the addition of LEB8 minipools.
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u/FluffayPenguin Tin | Fin.Indep. 60 Apr 01 '23
Move it from Lido to Rocket Pool.
Probably many others thinking the same thing.
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u/CVV1 Platinum | QC: CC 88 | PCgaming 18 Apr 01 '23
I'm going to unstake ASAP. I'm in the market for a house and need to have some liquidity.
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u/Dwaas_Bjaas Apr 01 '23
I hope you’ll be one of the first to unstake because not all Eth will be unlocked on the same day. It will be a gradual unlock
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u/BrisingrReborn Tin Apr 01 '23
Source?
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u/Dwaas_Bjaas Apr 01 '23
“Staked ETH won’t be unlocked immediately
Korpi pointed out that “the Merge won’t enable withdrawals,” as that is “planned for another Ethereum upgrade” slated to occur after roughly six months to one year. Korpi explained further that:
“To withdraw $ETH, a validator must exit the active validator set but there is a limit to how many validators can exit per epoch.
There are currently 395k validators (active + pending). If no new ones are set up (highly unlikely), it will take 424 days for all of them to exit.”
https://cryptoslate.com/will-26b-staked-in-eth-2-0-be-unlocked-and-sold-after-the-merge/?amp=1
“Coinbase said it would offer stakers the opportunity to withdraw 24 hours after the Shanghai upgrade goes live.
The exchange says waiting period for receiving unstaked ETH after Shanghai upgrade could be months.
Developers limit the number of daily withdrawals to ensure that validators don't leave the network vulnerable.“
https://beincrypto.com/coinbase-warns-eth-unstaking-could-take-months/
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u/Jcook_14 Apr 01 '23
Continue staking most likely
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u/Mean_Bandicoot_7481 Tin Apr 01 '23
Same here. I’ve waited this long and unless an emergency comes up that’s my plan.
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u/BPbeats Platinum | QC: CC 16 Apr 01 '23
I think the market has shown enough resilience for many people to hold. If this unlock happened a few months ago I would be more concerned.
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u/mindbox0 Tin Apr 01 '23
Can't wait for mine to be unlocked from Celsius and FTX! I'd probably pinch myself to see if it was a dream or not.
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u/FldLima Permabanned Apr 01 '23
What am I going to do with my unlocked Ethereum? Probably stare at it for a few hours, then panic sell it at a loss
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u/pannnetone Permabanned Apr 01 '23
My ETH was never locked and I still have it. Staking it besides Moons on Sushi :)
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u/TheRadioFrontiers Tin Apr 01 '23
One word and it rhymes with “raccoons”
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u/dreampsi Psychic Investor Apr 01 '23
Balloons? Omg your having an unstaking party!! Way cool.
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u/Consistent_Many_1858 Platinum | QC: ETH 26 | MiningSubs 27 Apr 01 '23
I'm holding for a long run. I believe in Ethereum and it's my favourite cryptocurrency.
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u/John_Pig Platinum | QC: CC 60, BNB 28, BTC 27 | ExchSubs 28 Apr 01 '23
Add to some liquidity pool, Stake it and hold it in cold.
Diversify, as always.
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u/Odysseus_Lannister Apr 01 '23
I will keep it staked with even more confidence now than I did before
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u/mathaiser Platinum | QC: BTC 86, CC 28, BCH 20 | r/SSB 14 | r/WSB 65 Apr 01 '23
I mean, for a long term holder, I think I’ll keep staking while the price goes up.
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u/show_me_your_secrets Tin Apr 01 '23
I’ll just keep mine staked and ride out the short term sell off.
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u/tanhauser_gates_ Tin Apr 01 '23
Honestly, I don't have a clue what this refers to. What is this lockup you are referring to?
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u/smurfguy Platinum | QC: CC 81 | CelsiusNet. 14 | Investing 12 Apr 01 '23
I could sell now and haven’t so prob nothing.
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u/SpaceMan639 Apr 01 '23
I bet the govt is planning to sell on the Shappella upgrade day just to mess with the crypto bros
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u/thinkingperson Platinum | QC: CC 18 | CRO 13 | Linux 21 Apr 01 '23
Staked as usual. Not going anywhere with it.
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u/Aggravating_Bag5420 Apr 01 '23
Sell, be first in line to get the whole value of what I'm going to sold then re-buy ETH(what I can afford to lose) so that I can move ETH freely
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u/superduperdude92 Apr 01 '23
Guys if it dips hard I'm gonna sweep opensea for those juicy nft discounts
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u/Jocogui Bronze | 6 months old | QC: CC 15 Apr 01 '23
Taking it away from the exchange and hold it forever due to transaction fees.
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u/Aggressive_Parking88 Tin | Politics 90 Apr 01 '23
I am hoping most of it doesn't get dumped. Everyone who staked their ETH should probably be at a loss and willing to hold until the Bull Run really gets into gear..
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u/AlexHM Platinum | QC: BCH 45, BTC 33, CC 30 | Politics 45 Apr 01 '23
Re-stake it. Might do it on my own node.
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u/RedIceBreaker Silver | QC: CC 135 | BANANO 32 Apr 01 '23
Gonna probably stake more cause then I won't worry about it being completely locked away from me.
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u/z0uNdz Permabanned Apr 01 '23
Holding or staking even longer. Why would I sell in the middle or end of a bear cycle? Those predicting a price drop are misinformed. Unless they are following the buy high sell low strategy its nuts
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u/IamAFlaw Platinum | QC: ETH 209, CC 61, XMR 20 | MiningSubs 86 Apr 01 '23
Absolutely nothing. Keep it staked.
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u/z6joker9 Silver | QC: CC 72, ETH 20 | NANO 107 | Apple 44 Apr 01 '23
Probably the same thing I’m doing with my ethereum that isn’t locked. Sit there and look at it.
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u/iammasvidal Platinum | QC: BTC 29 Apr 01 '23
If it ever gets unlocked I would move it to bitcoin... true sound hard money.
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u/JayFab6061 Platinum | QC: CC 215, ETH 26, BTC 15 Apr 01 '23
Hypothetically if I stake on rocket pool could I unstake at will? Or is it locked for another eternity?
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u/GoToGetRich Permabanned Apr 02 '23
depending on the market situation and the price of Ethereum, if the price of Ethereum increases very high at the time of unlocking, then maybe I will sell 25%-30% of my unlocked Ethereum and I will hold the rest for the long term, but if the price of Ethereum goes down, then I will do DCA.
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u/AESTHTK Platinum | QC: CC 841, ETH 369 | MANA 8 Apr 02 '23
Nothing. Keep validating.
Note Ethereum used for validating has climbed from 16m to 18m in the last few weeks.
If anything there’s far more demand to stake than to exit.
The exit queue is still empty.
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u/Herosinahalfshell12 Apr 02 '23
I believe there are 2 coins that are going to have a long term future: Bitcoin and ETH
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u/Baecchus Platinum | QC: CC 541 | r/WSB 11 Apr 01 '23
Nothing. Keep holding.
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u/Every_Hunt_160 Platinum | QC: CC 672 | r/SSB 10 Apr 01 '23
Exactly. No point doing anything with the Eth while we're still in a bear market.
Eth is one of the very few coins I'd feel totally comfortable of holding for a couple of years and doing nothing with it until we hit a full-blown bull market.
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u/Intelligent_Page2732 Platinum | QC: CC 918 Apr 01 '23
If the price will go down a bit, I would buy more.
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u/Harmz1229 Silver | QC: DOGE 40 | SHIB 33 Apr 01 '23
Buy a Reddit Collectible avatar lmao it's only like 80 dollars in staking rewards
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u/SaltyyyBoo Apr 01 '23
Strategy never changes, DCA and HODL
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u/binglelemon Apr 01 '23
Someone's gonna have to spend them gains on getting one finger removed so they can get DCA/HODL tattooed on their knuckles.
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u/Anfibio8 Platinum | QC: CC 171 Apr 01 '23
Hookers and wine!
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u/iwishiremember Silver | QC: CC 511, BTC 40 | ADA 22 Apr 01 '23
2 chicks at the same time (Office Space).
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u/diwalost Silver | QC: CC 25 | ADA 51 Apr 01 '23
Send to the 1st redditor who asks for it.
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u/v1n1btt Apr 01 '23
Please send it to me
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u/diwalost Silver | QC: CC 25 | ADA 51 Apr 01 '23
I said 1st Redditor after unstaking is live..!😡
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u/DingDongWhoDis Apr 01 '23
I'm excited to finally sell. Game time decision, though. Might end up holding it a little longer, but I do look forward to walking away from ETH once and for all (popular opinion, right?).
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u/ChemicalGreek Apr 01 '23
Most of the people that are staking ETH aren’t in profit, so they will hold!
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u/BlindestofMonks Apr 01 '23
I didn't lock mine and for now I'll keep it that way, too much risk for a 4-5% gain honestly
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u/Extreme_Issue7325 Apr 01 '23
Propably take it to Lido finance 🤯
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u/Every_Hunt_160 Platinum | QC: CC 672 | r/SSB 10 Apr 01 '23
Lido is a popular option but just a reminder it's not 100% safu.
A gentle reminder to everyone that once upon a time a staking platform called Celsius which offered 7% APY on Bitcoin was the most popular platform to stake too.
If Lido is offering higher % than what you can get from Eth validators, most likely that extra APY comes from lending out their customer's funds, or the customer is the yield.
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u/Giga79 Silver | QC: CC 404, ETH 125 | LRC 55 | TraderSubs 47 Apr 01 '23 edited Apr 01 '23
Lido is open source and operates IN NO WAY like Celsuis did.
If Lido is offering a higher % it would be because there's enough liquidity available for say 2 people to run 3 validators. This is all very transparent.
Obviously the customer is the yield. Lido's staking yield is shared with the customer (stETH), both benefit equally from this higher % you speak of. (Shared with meaning enforced by smart contracts)
Celsuis was a black box you deposited funds into for yield and it was operated by a gambling degen. You're essentially saying Uniswap is high-risk because FTX collapsed.
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u/LivingFondant1419 Platinum | QC: CC 722, ETH 279 | TraderSubs 279 Apr 01 '23
Take it off CB and Binance and stake!
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u/obewaun Tin Apr 01 '23
Hopefully they'll give us an option like ICP, crv, ogn to lock up our ether for like 4-8 years.
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u/satoshiarimasen Tin | 6 months old Apr 01 '23
SLAM THAT BABY DOWN. MARKET SELL. 500k ETH EVERY DAY. WICK DOWN TO 500
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u/CointestMod Apr 01 '23
Ethereum pros & cons with related info are in the collapsed comments below.