r/AdviceAnimals 4d ago

I don't understand why their supporters are hesitant to get vaccinated.

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u/misdirected_asshole 4d ago

Effectively every high profile vaccine 'skeptic' has gotten it. I'm sure Tucker Carlson was right there first in line as well.

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u/fordprefect294 4d ago

Because they're all actors

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u/misdirected_asshole 4d ago

Fox News is WWE for politics.

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u/fordprefect294 4d ago

Except they're all "the heel"

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u/kingjoey52a 4d ago

To you maybe, to their audience they’re a babyface. Like Bret Hart: heel in the US, biggest babyface in Canada.

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u/Ssutuanjoe 4d ago

To you maybe, to their audience they’re a babyface

Idk about this. Maybe to part of their audience...but a large part of their vocal audience like Fox for the same reason they liked Trump; not because they're the "good guy", but because they own the libs or whatever mental gymnastics they do.

No matter how vile Tucker Carlson or Hannity or Pirro or anyone on that channel behaves, there's always an "ends justify the means" mentality. Seriously, present an ultra conservative with...well, any example of Carlson being an absolute shitbag and then watch as they do simone biles level mental gymnastics to justify why Carlson is actually doing the lord's work.

It's demented.

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u/makesterriblejokes 4d ago

Shepard Smith was like their one baby face.

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u/BeautifulSwine 4d ago

Learned a new word. Thanks.

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u/OfCourseIKnowHim 4d ago

Hey, man, you don’t have to shit on WWE like that.

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u/Riaayo 4d ago

I respect the hard work of the wrestlers but the corporation/organization itself is fucking trash. McMahon was/is a big Trump guy, and WWE was more than happy to help launder Saudi Arabia's image even after the whole Khashoggi assassination/murder thing.

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u/j0y0 4d ago

Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, AEW?

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u/itsallnipply 4d ago

Join the Dark Order

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u/8-bit-hero 4d ago

I don't really follow wrestling but all my friends that do also hate the company. Seems to be the consensus overall. Surprised it's still going so strong.

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u/socokid 4d ago

Surprised it's still going so strong.

It's... going.

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u/throwaway_nfinity 4d ago

Eh..... you might like the entertainment that wwe puts out, but as an organization it's pretty far up the "evil corporations" ladder like FOX.

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u/TheNatureBoy 4d ago

Bah Gawd! That's Soro's music!

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u/Gimmeprops99 4d ago

All cable news is WWE for politics, Fox is raw and MSNBC/CNN are smack down. More people watch raw, but smack down has a better cast.

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u/alarmingpancakes 4d ago

When I told my friend that trump and his family got the vaccine, she said she doesn’t believe that. She said that it was filled with saline. 🙄

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u/stuffcrow 4d ago edited 4d ago

But why would the Trumps get a fake one? To trick their supporters into getting a real one? But then that would make them evil since the vaccine is harmful so...hmm.

Any idea why she thinks they would do that?

Edit: general grammar and clarity.

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u/hego555 4d ago

The deep state made him do it

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u/nilamo 4d ago

People who believe a deep state exists, and also that it doesn't like Trump, are complete morons.

Please, tell me more about an insanely powerful organization that gets away with every crime imaginable, that also allowed someone they don't like to get elected. Like, if both those things were true, a secret service agent would have poisoned Trump while he slept and made it look like a heart attack lol. The simple fact that Trump is alive, and was president, proves the deep state doesn't exist. Or, if it does, that it holds no negative views toward Trump lol

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u/Bad-Brains 4d ago

No disrespect but you're being very logical in your thinking.

These idiots wouldn't know logic if it bit them in the ass.

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u/stuffcrow 4d ago

Damnit you're right. I do genuinely love playing devil's advocate in things like this but the fun stops when you realise these people don't follow any sorta rhyme or reason.

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u/rmslashusr 4d ago

Trump got his vaccine secretly and they didn’t tell anyone for months before reporting came out about it specifically to cause this sort of doubt about it.

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u/shoot_first 4d ago

Because the libs must be wrong. About everything. Or else their whole worldview crumbles and their identity is lost.

So we have to find a way that the libs are wrong. And if the logic gets too tortured and we can’t make sense of anything, then let’s just change the subject and think about something else.

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u/socokid 4d ago

Lack of critical thought is the real pandemic in America.

That fact that pundits are considered news sources is mind boggling, just to start.

They are entertainers. Period. They will tell you half-truths all day long intermingled with pure rhetorical nonsense.

But that's not their Job. Their job is to make you feel smart, to make you angry at those that do not watch the same show.

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It only works on dummies, but then here we are... millions watching people like Tucker Carlson. eye roll

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u/Podricc 4d ago

Would you same the same about people who watch Don Lemon or Cuomo?

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u/Geminii27 4d ago edited 4d ago

Pushing and shoving their way to the front of the line. Probably shanking a bunch of old and sick people along the way.

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u/Ill-Resort-926 4d ago

Everyone at Fox has the vaccine, but they make more money destroying the country.

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u/zykstar 4d ago

Didn't he suddenly take a few weeks of vacation out of the blue last year? Hmmm...

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u/Jewba1 4d ago

That was after his lead writer was caught being a neo-nazi.

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u/jschubart 4d ago

He tried playing it off as if it was years ago and not at his current job.

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u/soulnumberfive 4d ago

Except LeBron James

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u/front_yard_duck_dad 4d ago

Nah, tucker carlson is so insufferable no one will go near him anyway

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u/curmudgeonlylion 4d ago

I could have sworn I read an article that said all of the main Fox News pundits, including TC, have been vaccinated. I cant find it now... ;|

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u/baz4k6z 4d ago

I'm pretty sure you need to wear a mask inside fox news building and offices too lol despite what Tucker Qarlson says on air.

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u/Transmatrix 4d ago

100% Tucker is vaccinated. Kind of wish HIPAA didn't exist for public figures.

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u/misdirected_asshole 3d ago

Tucker "I'm just asking the question" Carlson. such a piece of shit.

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u/StateOfContusion 4d ago edited 4d ago

Hilariously, if Trump had come out and told everyone to mask up and stay inside and pushed through a bill to support people, he'd have been reelected in a landslide.

Dumb fuck.

Edit: Some of you conservatives' paranoid fantasies/delusions are hilarious. Keep 'em coming.

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u/Repyro 4d ago

I see that more as an indictment of the American people.

Way too many needed some next level shit to be pushed towards weighing in and even then it was way too fucking close.

The next one we get is going to be significantly worse if he's remotely competent.

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u/catsandskyscrapers 4d ago

a lot of people have certainly fucked up and been dumb during the pandemic. and for some of them, there’s no help.

but i don’t think it matters here. because Trump is a true believer in everything he says. his ego is so overinflated, i think he truly believes the election was stolen. i think he truly believed back in February that covid was nbd. anything he says, it’s what he believes. it may only be his belief for that day before he changes his mind but he’s an earnest moron.

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u/MJGee 4d ago

Except there's that secret recording of him showing he understood how bad covid was. I think he knew perfectly well his fans were stupid and he deliberately played dumb

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u/JackingOffToTragedy 4d ago

He admits it to Bob Woodward, I think because at the time he still thought he would be proven right. He knew how dangerous it was in theory. But I think to him, his problems always just seemed to work out. Someone would fix it and he would look like a genius for opening things up early - or so he thought.

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u/Lost-My-Mind- 4d ago

It's not that. Here's one thing you need to know about trump, going all the way back to his early years.

His ONLY goal in life is that everyone loves him. He has to be the center of attention. He has to be the best at all the things. Nobody is smarter in the history of anything on every subject. At least that's HIS mindset.

So in his mind, in April 2020, if covid turns out to kill a lot of Americans, he thinks it will look bad on him. There's a pandemic on HIS watch. So he did the only thing thats ever worked for him. Deny the seriousness of the problem, pretend it doesn't exist publically, and then behind the scenes wait for someone below him to clean up the mess.

That's what works in business because everyone below him in a company is afraid of being fired. Problem is, covid-19 doesn't give a fuck who's fired. It doesn't care if you do or don't believe in science. It just infects you, and kills many, until we take steps to adjust.

Trump just wasn't used to the idea that big problems didn't go away because he said so without doing the bare minimum himself. He just wanted to come out, and say he won, he had everything under control. Which he did say in a press statement around the time it was 40,000 dead. He specifically said "When keep the numbers down, under 100,000, that's a tremendous achievement that we accomplished. Anything less than that is a win."

Funny he didn't admit he lost that race when numbers surpassed 100,000, or even 200,000. Just like he didn't admit he lost the election. On election night, he came out on tv around 1am, and declaired himself the winner of the election. Races had NOT been called. At that time, several key states were up in the air. It could have gone either way at that point. Yet there he was, on tv, accepting reelection formally.

All because in his mind, he's the winner at everything.

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u/BoilerMaker11 4d ago edited 4d ago

I think the mind of Trump is much simpler than that. I think that he can only think of things in terms of basic solutions. If it sounds good on paper to a kindergartner, then it must work. Mexicans are coming over? Build a wall! That'll stop them! If employers had more money, they'd pay people more, right? Slash their taxes! Islamic terrorism exists? Let's ban all Muslims until we "find out what's going on".

This is just what his mindset is. There is no such thing as "complex" to him. That's why he's "the best" or he knows "the most" about everything, in his own head. Because when you can only think in simplistic terms, you can truly believe you're an expert on every possible topic. So when it came to covid and being told by his advisors that A. it's the biggest national security threat of his presidency and B. it endangers his re-election chances, the entire time he was trying to find the simplest solutions to solve the problem quickly. That's why he wanted everything open by April last year, so we could pretend the virus was gone. That's why he wanted the annual flu vaccine to be used to handle it. That's why when he saw a tweet from a "study" saying hydroxychloroquine would cure covid, he started pushing that. That's why he wanted herd immunity through infection. Whatever took the least amount of work is what he wanted to do, instead of hunkering down and getting his hands dirty.

I mean, even with the vaccine, he thought simply pre-ordering supply was enough. At one point, Pfizer was like "we have all these vials of vaccine sitting in freezers in warehouses because we don't know where to send them. We had no instructions" and the Biden administration verified that when they got into office and said there was no distribution plan in place.

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u/Ruscidero 4d ago

The sad part is that it wasn’t even a secret — Bob Woodward recorded their interviews with Trump’s knowledge and permission. He’s just too stupid to even understand the issue.

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u/triggerhappy899 4d ago

Lol Nixon 2.0

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u/Ruscidero 4d ago

Even worse, lol — at least Nixon intended to keep the tapes secret. Trump knew from the start that Woodward’s recordings would be public knowledge. Stable genius!

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u/socokid 4d ago edited 4d ago

i think he truly believes the election was stolen

Yes, but that would make him an abject moron.

EDIT: To the downvoters. I truly mean that. You would have to be no smarter than a box of rocks to believe the election was stolen. You'd have to be 10 shades of stupid. You would literally have to be void of all critical thought. The rest of us wonder at the fact that you are able to dress yourself.

etc, etc..

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u/Ruscidero 4d ago

That’s the difficult thing with Trump — he is absolutely a moron, but he’s also a consummate grifter and huckster. It’s sometimes difficult to tell which is the overriding force in a particular action of his. Most likely a little from column A and a little from column B, in reality.

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u/avcloudy 4d ago

Grifters don't have to be clever - you hear that scam emails are misspelled to filter out people who won't get scammed as easily, but that could easily work both ways - you get scammers who aren't that clever so that clever people are filtered out before much time is wasted. You don't want to be able to answer obvious questions, that's a trap in itself.

Grifting people isn't about outsmarting people intellectually, it's about letting their greed override their critical faculties. You don't have to be doing that intentionally, to pass a fake diamond ring to someone, you just have to convince them they're taking advantage of you.

All of this is to say that it might not be a conscious decision on his part - he might not have a 'moron' mode and a 'grifter' mode, he just has a 'naked self interest' mode where he just cares about himself and the benefit to himself. Truth is a nebulous concept, but what's good for Trump is a pretty concrete concept. And really, isn't that what truth is? Good? Really, it's just a matter of perspective.

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u/socokid 3d ago

but he’s also a consummate grifter and huckster

One of the best. Agreed. I'm honestly now, and was then, much more concerned that people voted for him. I know people like Donald Trump exist. That wasn't the alarming bit.

It was the shear size of the American populace that bought it, and liked it.

It's still the problem.

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u/CatFanFanOfCats 4d ago edited 4d ago

You are absolutely correct.

And to add to your missive. Those that still follow Trump are either morons or dicks.

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As Michael Gerson, former speechwriter for President George W. Bush, put it in the Washington Post yesterday:

Nothing about this is normal. The GOP is increasingly defined not by its shared beliefs, but by its shared delusions. To be a loyal Republican, one must be either a sucker or a liar…Knowingly repeating a lie – an act of immorality – is now the evidence of Republican fidelity.

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u/rohdawg 4d ago

¿Por que no los dos?

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u/asimplescribe 4d ago

Populists surround them selves with yes men and easily wind up out of touch.

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u/shitweasle3000 4d ago

Yeah, but that’s the thing about the political fringes. The more fringe someone is, the more detached from reality and anti-science they are. That’s why every far right government on the planet has failed with handling the pandemic so spectacularly. Incompetence and stupidity is a defining feature of fascists (as well as their left-wing counterparts like Stalin and Mao).

There’s plenty of examples. Professors who taught relativity during the cultural revolution were jailed because Chinese commies thought it was somehow ideologically contrary to Marxism. Same with Natural Selection in the Soviet Union. Look how much dumb, easily disproved pseudo-science and woo-woo the Nazis believed in, not to mention the fact that Hitler was a terrible military strategist because he ignored or killed anyone who wasn’t an ass-kissing sycophant.

In order to embrace the political extreme, someone has to be so devoted to their ideology or cult figure that they ignore any evidence that contradicts it, even if it’s right in front of them. That mentality tends to result in a lot of stupid decisions.

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u/falco_iii 4d ago

If it was positioned it correctly.

Freedom to be safe:

"Real men work hard to provide and protect their families. We put a roof over their heads, we make sure our home is a castle, and protect it from all invaders. During these unprecedented times, don't let COVID in your home - no unwanted visitors, keep gatherings small and outdoors only." (visuals are tucking a child into bed, locking the front door, closing a safe, locking a gun cabinet, fade to outdoor BBQ with grandma).

"Real men face danger everyday. Real men protect themselves. Football players wear helmets, police have bullet proof vests, firefighters have fireproof coats. During this dangerous time, real men wear a mask to protect themselves & others."

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u/SinibusUSG 4d ago

Replace "man" with "American". Even the GOP understands you need some women voters to win an election.

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u/rmslashusr 4d ago

All they had to do was wrap wearing a mask in the flag and harken it to the patriotic sacrifice of all the generations that came before us. Make not making one the same as hating America, hating Americans and giving aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war. He wanted to be a war time president and he could have been, and should have been, and would have saved hundreds of thousands of Americans lining his patriotic followers up using exactly the sort of propaganda that was was both needed and that Republicans excel at both producing and consuming.

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u/SaffellBot 4d ago

Unfortunately early in the pandemic the disease looked to have the biggest effect on NY, WA, and CA. So Trump saw a natural disaster that was hurting his political opponents and decided to fan the flames.

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u/Steinrikur 4d ago

Keep it simple: "Real men protect others."

The main purpose of the mask is to protect others. If you are too chickenshit to protect others because of how it looks or "you can't breath" [sic], then you have failed as a human.

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u/Staav 4d ago

It'll be gone in a few weeks. The flu kills X number of people every year!!!

Remember those?

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u/BlueFlob 4d ago

What you are saying is ALL he had to do, was show a minimum of common sense.

He was already getting all the conservative votes by "owning" the libs with whatever.

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u/margenreich 4d ago

Even worse, had he sold masks with his name on it and said its patriotic to fight that "china virus" he would made a good money out of it. Without a lockdown no economic disaster, just see how Japan or Korea did it. But no, appealing his base was the worst he could have done

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u/Skipaspace 4d ago

Maybe.

But that wasn't his style, to unite. He gained power through division. And it almost worked. Dont forget a lot of people still voted for trump (yes, biden recieved more votes) and you know the insurrection. Trump hasn't gone away.

The true test of the hold trump still has on the republican party will be 2022...even in this year's primaries state legislatures are stripping Governor's powers away...in response to covid. State legislatures are also voting to restrict voting access..in response to trump and thr GOP's lie.

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u/Ucla_The_Mok 4d ago

Mitt Romney got booed off the stage at the Utah GOP convention while over half the crowd yelled "commie" and "traitor."

Trump endorsed a Republican candidate in a recent Texas election. Trump's candidate won resoundingly, and the GOP endorsed candidate only got ~8% of the vote.

The hold Trump has is quite strong.

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u/Necoras 4d ago

Not to mention, Trump is trying to consolidate all GOP fundraising through his personal PAC. He's made it quite clear that if the GOP doesn't go along, he'll quite happily split the party. He doesn't care about winning; he cares about money and power.

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u/misdirected_asshole 3d ago

He cares about money mostly because he owes a shitload in the next couple years.

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u/fchowd0311 4d ago

The term "commie" has literally changed defention in the United States to "someone who disagrees with me". It's very sad.

Because Mitt Romney being the academic definition of a communist is pretty damn hilarious. Ya, Mr. Bain Capital himself is a communist.

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u/Workacct1999 4d ago

Nothing says communism quite like CEO of a private equity firm!

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u/sirspidermonkey 4d ago

It's clear he's just one of those long term sleeper cell Antifa super soldiers I heard about on Fox news!

/s because dark times.

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u/asimplescribe 4d ago

They had a chance to do something after 1/6. Punting was a big mistake. Trump popularity didn't transfer to many of the down ballot elections over his 4 years so letting him be a kingmaker in 2022 may wind up costing them. It's just such an odd thing to bet so heavy on him being able to bring people out for other candidates.

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u/FeelsGoodMan2 4d ago

It's actually incredible when you step back and think about it. When you look at who has been deified as a god and really think about it, it's really not all that hard to step back and say "Wow if you vote republican and support this guy, you're a drooling dumb fuck". That's really all there is to say. There's no nuance there, if you treat that dude as a god there's nothing you'll ever say to me to change my mind on that, it's just a dead giveaway that you're a knuckle dragger.

It's not even the action of deifying someone as a god in a cult like manner that gets me there, it's who you decided to dive on the sword for.

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u/1CEninja 4d ago

Trump got more votes in 2020 than any candidate had ever gotten before.

And he still lost.

If there's one thing Trump does, it's increase voter turnout because I *promise* you if half the country didn't violently hate the man in office, Biden would have gotten tepid at best votes.

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u/VladDaImpaler 4d ago edited 4d ago

No, he got the 2nd most votes in 2020 than any candidate had gotten before. And these statistics are always dumb. There is no actual way to factor in population growth from all the previous data points. It’s not like you can account for inflation. Where 100K votes in 1960 would equate to 200K votes today.

If a president of the past got more votes then current then that’s a thing to point out, a lack of turnout or availability to vote.

Edit: but I’ve see that this reply has been already said like at least three times, so we all get it

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u/KoreanEan 4d ago

Wouldn’t it make sense that the way population increase is that there would be more voters and votes each election? Not that you didn’t make good points just askin.

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u/Philoso4 4d ago

Yes, sort of. He got 31.3% of the voters eligible. That's a pretty high number.

In 1984 Ronald Reagan got 32.5% of the voters eligible, compared to Mondale's 22.4% in what is considered one of the most lopsided elections in history.

In 1996, Clinton won with 28.6% compared to Bob Dole's 21% (caveat: Ross Perot took home 4.3%).

In 2008, Obama got 32.6% of the voter's eligible compared to John McCain's 28.2% in a pretty lopsided election.

In 2020, Biden won with 34.2% of voters eligible, compared to Trump's 31.3.

So yes, population increases would make for larger raw numbers. When we have 1.6 billion people in this country, they'll look back on these times as the quaint days when 73 million votes seemed like a lot. However, looking at the percentages of votes received and votes per eligible voter, it's clear he drove a large number of people to vote for him.

Is it valid to say he got more votes than any other candidate before him? Yeah. Is it useful? Not particularly, for the reasons you brought up. Is it worthwhile to look a little deeper into the numbers? I don't have the time to do it, but it looks like with 31.3% of the votes he would have beaten (by popular vote) everyone except Obama (2008, not 2012), Reagan (1984, not 1980), until Nixon in 1972. If he had given half a shit about the pandemic, he would have won a landslide.

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u/Calint 4d ago

And Biden in 2020. Because biden got more votes than trump in 2020.

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u/Rilandaras 4d ago

No, because all this talk is about before. Biden is now, for better or for worse.

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u/kuahara 4d ago

I, for one, turned out to vote against Trump, not to vote for Biden. Truth be told, I wanted Bernie.

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u/Atomic_Wedgie 4d ago

Deep down, we all wanted Bernie.

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u/fedora_and_a_whip 4d ago

I like Bernie, but what's your opinion on his chances to do most of the things he wanted to? Biden has a more moderate platform, and he's still struggling between the GOP and people like Manchin.

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u/TheDubh 4d ago

That’s my biggest criticism of Bernie. It’s sad to say, but I legit don’t think he could get through some of the more progressive legislation he’d want. Did we forget how much of a battle the ACA was? Even worse it became a part of why republicans won the fallowing midterms. There’s more purple then ether side wants to admit.

Also for Republicans it’s easier to campaign on people’s fears, while Dems tend to campaign on the idea of progress. While republicans can always find a new boogeyman to keep that fear going, they can demoralize Dem voters by blocking legislation so the progress never happens. Which in turn means less Dems show up to vote. All they have to do is convince some areas that things won’t change so why bother, and they win that area.

The reason turn out was so high this last election was because both sides were afraid. Dems losing that fear, while republicans can keep it might hurt in the midterms.

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u/Ruscidero 4d ago

But wouldn’t it be nice to have a president that wanted to pass progressive laws? Sure, he wouldn’t get the level of progressivism he necessarily wanted, but starting from that position may well have netted policies more progressive than one would otherwise end up with.

Politics is the art of the possible, but if you don’t even start from where you want to be you’re dealing yourself a weak hand.

That being said, the policies Biden is pushing thus far are better than I expected them to be, so credit where credit is due.

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u/TheDubh 4d ago

While I like/want a more progressive agenda, we NEED a more moderately progressive one now to get the ball rolling. 'Don't Let the Perfect Be the Enemy of the Good', basically. Biden is already seeing pushback, from within the party, on even the moderate policies. Dems don’t have such an overwhelming majority to just force things through. I REALLY hope that once the even mildly progressive policies go in, and people see the benefits, that it’ll make people braver to support more.

The problem is the possible for one area isn’t the possible for another. Which causes some of the discourse with the dems between the cities and the more rural/conservative leaning, areas. Without those rural areas dems would have even less ability to push policy.

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u/elguapo51 4d ago edited 3d ago

You’re better off having a president who wants to hit triples and ends up hitting mainly doubles than you are having a president who wants home runs but hits singles or strikes out.

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u/The_Collector4 4d ago

Not anyone who makes a couple hundred thousand

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u/ruru3777 4d ago

Don’t feel bad, that’s most Biden voters. Biden isn’t exactly a very... exciting candidate. When people voted for Biden they really just voted against Trump.

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u/loganrunjack 4d ago

The largest voting block in the country is non voters

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u/king-krool 4d ago

There is a general increase but the % participation (62%) was the highest since 1960 but other than that year higher than anything all the way back to 1908.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections#Turnout_statistics

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u/KoreanEan 4d ago

Lol yes the 1800s, a time when voter turnout was the highest, as long as you don’t include all the people we aren’t allowing to vote.

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u/king-krool 4d ago

Yes it’s based on eligible voters and that category changed a lot over the years.

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u/FountainsOfFluids 4d ago

In addition to what the other commenters said, an awful lot of people got mail-in ballots because of the pandemic, and thus didn't have to wait in line to vote. This increases voter participation. Which is why conservatives hate it.

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u/gloryday23 4d ago

Wouldn’t it make sense that the way population increase is that there would be more voters and votes each election?

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: In this case the increase in turnout vastly outpaces the increase in population. The 2016 election had a total turnout of 128.8 million, where as in 2020 we saw 155.4 million people vote, for an increase of about 20%.

Between the 2010 and 2020 census we are looking at a increase in population of about 8%, but that takes into account 6 more years of population growth than the last two elections. If we can distribute that evenly, we are likely looking at a population growth of around 3.5% between 2016 and 2020. So yes, population grew, and that likely influence turnout, but 2020's turnout was historic nonetheless.

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u/Ebion 4d ago

Trump got more votes in 2020 than any candidate had ever gotten before.

And he still lost.

Technically Biden got more votes in 2020 than any candidate had ever gotten before since as you've correctly pointed out...

He lost.

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u/1CEninja 4d ago

These are both true statements. My point is people seem to think Trump wasn't popular, which simply isn't true.

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u/SinibusUSG 4d ago

Eh. Popularity is relative. If 300 people out of 400 like you, you're popular. If 300 people out of 800 like you, less so. If 300 people out of 800 people like you and 400 of the remaining 500 want your head to spontaneously pop like a balloon...not sure I'd really call you popular anymore.

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u/Ebion 4d ago

Yea I get that, I was just being pedantic because I hear the same claim from people who are insinuating much more ignorant things. To be clear, what you said was not ignorant at all, I agree. Granted, those same people would never concede that Biden received more votes anyway so I suppose it’s a moot point.

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u/cybercuzco 4d ago

Not a landslide but 100,000 more votes in the right states would have put him over the top.

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u/DooDooBrownz 4d ago

he literally used the chaos of the pandemic to try and usurp power. political/social/economic instability caused by things like war and diseases is literally first page scenario they teach in tyrant rise to power 101.

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u/wo__d 4d ago

That’s what the craziest part is. All he had to do was nothing, and he would have won. Say, “Listen to the scientists, wear a mask,” and just do what the scientists tell him then go golf. He’d have won in a way not seen in decades. Same with Giuliani. Instead of being an insane agitator, he could have easily retired 5 even 10 years ago. He could be living on an island somewhere doing fuck-all. But instead he chose to just be a fucking psycho and triple down backing other psychos. Now both of them are going to be tied up in the legal system for the rest of their natural lives and beyond. Insanity.

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u/fordprefect294 4d ago

Yeah, it's scary to think if covid hadn't happened, he'd probably still be president

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u/1CEninja 4d ago

People downvote this because they don't understand. Trump got *more votes in 2020 than any candidate had ever received before*. The fact that Biden won is because there were more votes for Not Trump than there were for Trump, by a very very small margin.

Had the USA never had to deal with a pandemic, Trump wouldn't have had his "OK dude you really handled this poorly moment and now Americans are dead" situation, and he would have almost assuredly won.

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u/fordprefect294 4d ago

Not a "very very small margin". 7M or so votes. It's only a small margin when you factor in the hot mess that is the Electoral College

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u/condor1985 4d ago

right, the election wasn't close at all

*rolls eyes and remembers heart attack every other country on earth had for a sustained month after election night*

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u/1CEninja 4d ago

I am factoring in the thing that decides who is president, yes.

It wasn't a debate if the electoral college should change or not, as that is a valid but different debate.

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u/Bedlam2 4d ago

Well, since that is how our president is appointed, that’s the margin we have to consider. Trump only lost by about 40,000 votes in those swing states combined. Scary thought.

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u/3-DMan 4d ago

more votes for Not Trump

Couldn't you also argue that he won in 2016 because of the Not Hilary votes?

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u/aetheos 4d ago

Yes, and the electoral college allowing people in backwards-ass states like Wyoming and the Dakotas to have multiple times the influence per capita than people in more progressive states like NY and CA. (Hence Trump winning the election despite losing the popular vote.)

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u/1CEninja 4d ago

Abso-fucking-lutely. Trump wouldn't have stood a chance in 2016 if the DNC took their heads out of their asses.

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u/Ruscidero 4d ago

I’m really not sure, honestly. I think the vote was largely baked in from the start — there was a percentage that were going to vote for him no matter what, one that was never going to vote for him (hi!), and one that simply had “Trump fatigue” and just wanted an adult who could go more than 24 hours without having a temper tantrum and spewing hate. I think COVID was icing on the cake, but I’m not sure I believe it was the deciding factor.

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u/DialsMavis 4d ago

Well that and telling his supporters not to vote by mail instead of waiting In some huge lines while he dismantled any alternative method.

Edit forgot a a seriously important not

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u/Marko343 4d ago

I always think back to the beginning of this March 2020 when people were starting to go out for spring break and travel to Florida. Trump could have just said to play it cool and be cautious and not go, or told people to wear a mask. Instead he went way the other direction. I think back to that moment of time that caused to go full stupid and made this a political issue vs a science and public safety issue.

Can you imagine how much less brutal all this could have been if it didn't go full red vs blue? If he just would have told people to stay home and encouraged wearing a mask in public at the very least. Then at least proclaimed he would get the vaccine without hesitation and encouraged everyone to so so?

Edit:2020 not 2019 duh

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u/entr0py3 4d ago

I'm pretty sure he would have lost anyway, just by less. Remember even when he was elected it was by millions fewer votes, and he never once had a positive approval rating.

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u/StateOfContusion 4d ago

No, but it came down to very few votes (tens of thousands) in a few battleground states. The Electoral College is all that matters, like it or not.

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u/Im_too_old 4d ago

I am not a DeSantis fan, but he is promoting the vaccine and says it works

He claims they are doing PSA in FL to promote getting vaccinated.

I always say sometimes he does good things then will drop a huge turd right after.

TBH he is battling Orange county's strict restrictions. When OC was going out and fining businesses for lax COVID rules, he came right out and said local governments cannot do that.

I live in Orange county and they have worked hard to make it safer and even offer rent relief and payments to harder hit citizens.

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u/LowKeyReasonable 4d ago

Trump is an absolute idiot, but he was all for getting a vaccine as early as I remember. He repeatedly said they would develop a vaccine ready by the election, and he was ridiculed for his optimism. People (the post and the most popular comments on here) are now trying to rewrite history as if Trump was anti-vaccine.

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u/LowKeyReasonable 4d ago

There are plenty of other examples like that. A sign of intelligence and morality is not exaggerating when the enemy is wrong, and there are a lot of people here who are ignorant about Trump's position on vaccines or are lying about it.

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u/Inconceivable76 4d ago

Well, considering the numbers seem to be tracking basically straight line with age, it seems like it’s a lot less based on political affiliation and a more based on age.

As an example, Ohio has had the vaccine open to everyone for over a month now (March 29th). You’ve been able to get say day appointments for weeks now all over the state. Only 30% of 20-29 years have gotten the vaccine, each decade goes up 7-10%. The county leading the state in vaccinated percentage is a county that voted for trump in both 2016 and 2020.

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u/Vampire_Deepend 4d ago edited 4d ago

Why is this person getting downvoted? Trump always promoted the vaccine. It's what he put all his public messaging into because he was so anti everything about mask mandates and lockdowns. He was anti a lot of things, but not vaccines.

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u/Assidental1 4d ago

Anti vaxers are on all sides of the political spectrum. Come to Portland and check it out for yourself.

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u/Lethik 4d ago

My life long self-described Socialist friend won't get his 2nd dose now because he missed the first day he was eligible for it, the 28th day after the first dose. He says that there's a vested government interest to not do research on if the vaccines are less effective after the very first day... So he is just not going to get it at all, now. Then complains the next day to me about how the US will never get herd immunity 😕

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u/Bunnymancer 4d ago

Portland is not political. Just on the spectrum.

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u/ConsistentElevator15 4d ago

The dream of the 90s is alive in Portland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4hShMEk1Ew

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u/Seiche 4d ago

He's right tho, this is not only true for the US

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u/curmudgeonlylion 4d ago

HEEEYYYYYYYY-OOOOOOOOOOO

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u/Exist50 4d ago

While some exist on both sides, it's absolutely not equivalent. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/us/politics/republicans-covid-vaccines.html

Half of Republicans don't plan to get vaccinated.

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u/swolemedic 4d ago

Yeah, I'm in portland but the lefties against the vaccine aren't remotely similar to the right wingers. It's typically crunchy morons, not conspiratorial nonsense and not mindlessly partisan.

Why anyone would think the gop and how they treat covid compares to Portland where I get dirty looks from some people if i don't wear a mask outside in a low traffic outdoor area is beyond me.

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u/Arkanii 4d ago

I was walking down the sidewalk the with my mask dangling from one ear a while back. Total ghost town, barely any pedestrians out. Some lady across the street on the other sidewalk goes “HEY!!” And starts pointing at her mask.

This was in Chicago. I can only imagine Portlandians(?) are even more enthusiastic about masks lol. Not that it’s a bad thing. I just put my mask on and gave her a thumbs up. Sure beats getting mean mugged for wearing a mask down south.

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u/Conquestadore 4d ago

These numbers are pretty shocking to me to be honest and exemplifies the need for a multi party system. People get too hung up on identifying with all the party points. Multiple parties would help supporting issues you hold dear without feeling the need to defend points you might not agree on. I sincerely believe people would be able to form a more moderate view regarding vaccination when its not made out to be a bipartisan issue.

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u/smilenowgirl 4d ago

I read a post where someone overheard a man say he wouldn't wear a mask because he was a Republican, even though he believed everything about the virus was real.

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u/FourKindsOfRice 4d ago

Can't be rejected by the tribe.

It's weird. I live in Austin and if you don't wear a mask, even in May 2021, you're an asshole. It's rare that people don't indoors even now, even when vaccinated, even when we only have 80 cases a day.

Stopped at a town of 4000 some ways outside Austin for coffee...we go inside, only people wearing a mask at all. We were the assholes to them I guess. Even the girl taking orders, no mask.

...also drove the only sedan in a town of pickups. Was happy to get back to the city. Wasn't very good coffee.

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u/TheWaxMann 4d ago

A multi party system isn't as good as you may think. We have one over in the UK. There are 2 "main" parties, and loads of smaller ones. The small ones never get in, but people still use their votes on them, so even if 70% of votes were for left leaning parties, they are all split amongst different parties and the "majority" vote will be for the least divided side.

I don't know if this is better or worse than a 2 party system, but multi party system with Alternative Voting instead of First Past the Post would be fantastic.

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u/didsomebodysaymyname 4d ago

Seriously? I saw a Trump supporter say "I think he just said he got the vaccine just so the media would stop bothering him, just to get past it."

Like, how are you supposed to convince someone like that?

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u/Therandomfox 4d ago

Can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

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u/staiano 4d ago

"Will you get it so I stop bothering you?"

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u/FaustsAccountant 4d ago

This. Super trumper coworker screamed “fake news!” when other people pointed out her idols all got the jab, they were first in line even.

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u/OathOfFeanor 4d ago

Like, how are you supposed to convince someone like that?

Keep bothering them until they get the vaccine just to get past it I suppose

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u/Fradier 4d ago

When did Trump and Densantis ever say to NOT get the vaccine?

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u/IndigoFenix 4d ago

The hilarious thing is that Trump was NEVER anti-vaccine. Heck, he was behind the whole "warp speed" thing which may or may not have been one of the reasons why it came out so fast. (The companies he initially endorsed didn't actually succeed, but they did create competition, and the process helped cut through a lot of the red tape that normally hampers vaccine development.)

Trump was against LOCKDOWNS, because he prioritized the economy over people's health, which is just something he always did. He also didn't like masks, because to him, image is everything - the death of a few hundred thousand people doesn't matter as long as people don't THINK it matters. The problem is that in doing so, he gave more support to the crazies who are just opposed to modern medicine on principle.

It's not so much that he took their side as that they took his. Trump's moral priorities might be out of whack, but he's not a complete imbecile.

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u/Rexan02 4d ago

I'm curious as to why he didn't just come out in January and publicly state he got the vaccine.

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u/IndigoFenix 4d ago

When you rely heavily on idiots for support, failure to present yourself as an idiot risks alienating them. So he basically stayed ambiguous on the matter in the public eye to minimize loss of supporters from either group.

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u/Gnostromo 4d ago

So he's not a leader, basically

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u/andaflannelshirt 4d ago

He could have sold a shit ton of masks if he was such a good biddnes man but couldn't do it because then nobody could see his gross orange mug.

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u/Ravio11i 4d ago

He could have sold em with his gross orange mug all over em! Could have made a ton! Branding everywhere!
THAT's how I know he's not a good businessman....

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u/DoctorMcAstronaut 4d ago

It really does kill me to give the guy any credit but he did get these companies cranking out vaccines. Had he just shut the fuck up about the masks and the lockdowns it could have been a lot better. A two week lockdown would have had a drastic effect on the initial spread perhaps curtailing it totally but people just can't do it. If 25% of people totally ignore the restrictions, then their pointless. And everyone on facebook whining about how the lockdowns, masks, distancing didn't work "Herp Derp, hhOW did THat Too WeeK LoCkdowN werk?? HURR." I guess we'll never know Chad, because you just had to go to spring break and kill your grandmother.

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u/AnoK760 4d ago

Why the fuck are we still talkin about this dude?

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u/Prestikles 4d ago

Trump got vaccinated after having contracted COVID. So clearly having had it before doesn't immunize you. SOOO

PSA: Get your goddamn shot(s), people.

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u/Bon_of_a_Sitch 4d ago

Too late. I've had my 5G since March.

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u/ddrober2003 4d ago

Mine is a little touch and go, getting a booster in a couple days. Then I can download cars with mind 5G arm!

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u/rene-cumbubble 4d ago

Only 5G? I must have gotten the updated version

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u/jek39 4d ago

my signal strength reaches 100% in 2 days.

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u/Ruscidero 4d ago

I’m just curious: now that Bill and Melinda Gates are getting divorced, who gets the rights to my tracking data from the microchip implanted in me by the COVID vaccine? Maybe they’ll share it like child custody?

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u/SteazGaming 4d ago

He did get regeneron antibodies though which if they did the heavy lifting he may not have full self immunity at all

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u/sahuxley2 4d ago

I only know one person who is anti-mask and anti-vaccine, and she voted straight ticket democrat in 2020.

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u/Saffiruu 4d ago

What if I told you...

the people avoiding the vaccine are predominantly black and Hispanic?

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u/digitalmofo 4d ago

I'm not sure how some people want to say the vaccine is dangerous and to avoid it yet still want Trump to get credit for it.

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u/spawny_violate 4d ago

I got both doses and I regret nothing ! I rather be vaccinated than intubated 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/MikeyPh 4d ago edited 4d ago

You guys realize that poor urban populations are hesitant to get it, too, right? Or that there are rational reasons not to get it.

There were something like 13,000 vaccines reserved specifically for people from poor neighborhoods in my city back when it was pretty much only teachers and the sick who were eligible through normal channels. Almost no one got it through that program. Those weren't Trump voters.

But to you folks, the only people stupid enough not to get the vaccine are those Trump loving hicks.

You can hate Trump and right leaning folks all you want, but at least look at reality.

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u/theswan2005 4d ago

I agree.

Let's be objective on this one. It's not just Trump supporters, it's poor communities as well. They don't trust the government either, for different reasons.

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u/abagle0514 4d ago

For damn good reasons

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u/DominicVahn 4d ago

My mother is one of the people with lifelong complications from the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine. It probably also caused my sister's birth defects, and eventual death. My mother will not get the Covid vaccine. She lives far away from other people on a farm with her husband and my grandmother. They are well isolated from society and largely self sufficient.

Meanwhile, my partner and I moved out of the city to escape Covid, and got our vaccines in February. I see my mother on occasion and we have talked a great deal about her aversion to the vaccine. I think, if I allow myself to consider her perspective, I wouldn't get the vaccine either. Her life has been hell because of a vaccine. I think if I had been through what she has, I probably wouldn't want it either.

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u/computeraddict 4d ago

Reddit likes to forget that it was Cuomo and Newsom that were the biggest vaccine skeptics last year.

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u/BustedFlush 4d ago

What if I told you

Anti-vaxxers can be Democrats too

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u/UniqueCoverings 4d ago

Seems like an ignorant post, seeing that the administration has said that minorities are one of the biggest hold outs in getting shot.

Unless now you saying minorities are trump supporters.

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u/MrJonHammersticks 4d ago

ever cross your mind that they might make the decision regardless of a politicians decision?

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u/Nerdworker92 4d ago

Wait, you dont have to follow every move and command of the party you register for? That's crazyyyyyy. (/s for those who need it)

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u/digital_darkness 4d ago

Are we mad that people AREN’T following in Trumps footsteps, now?

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u/arselona 4d ago

It’s silly.

Trump played a huge role in fast tracking the vaccines development via Project Warp Speed.

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u/enoch625 4d ago

What if I told you, not everyone who doesn’t want the vaccine is a republican?

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u/sapphire__87 4d ago

So now you can't disagree on certain topics with someone you generally support?

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u/diagonali 4d ago

Lots of people cannot comprehend how the decision isn't political. Very bizarre but very common. The vaccines do not have any long term safety trials and there is a very significant portion of the population who are not at risk and who understand that those who are at risk can, if they choose to, get vaccinated. The number of people who are at risk and who cannot get vaccinated is vanishingly small. The benefit to others from people who aren't at risk themselves getting unnecessarily vaccinated is therefore practically non existent above any other public health issue. For all those perfectly rational and reasonable (nothing to do with political affiliation) reasons, many choose not to get vaccinated. It's really is that simple. Unless it's disingenuously manipulated into a "moral" issue. Which it is and will be because people have made this issue part of their identity. Anything one makes part of one's identity inevitably has to be defended.

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u/Zlatanesque 4d ago

Hannity refuses to say if he’s vaccinated because people keep asking him. You know all these clowns are vaccinated. He keeps saying “well the science if you can call it that keeps changing” Yes moron we’re still learning about COVID and vaccines as we go along.

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u/muthafuckabra 4d ago

Because thats against the Nuremberg code

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u/shawn292 4d ago

DeSantis has been pro vaccine the whole time. It amazes me trump supporters like him he wasnt even in trumps list of "candidates"

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u/greenSixx 4d ago

Y'all, Trump went on Fox very recently to tell everyone to get vaccinated.

He isn't all bad all the time.

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u/UniqueCoverings 4d ago

Seems like an ignorant post, seeing that the administration has said that minorities are one of the biggest hold outs in getting shot.

Unless now you saying minorities are trump supporters.

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u/Acceptable-Hearing60 4d ago

So people make there own minds up?

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u/mnl1121 4d ago

Why are we still talking about Trump? I was hoping after the election we'd finally stop.

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u/96vette 4d ago

Maybe it means being a Darwin Award candidate isn’t a symptom of supporting Trump.

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u/Smokahontas1864 4d ago

I can actually answer that for you. See, many supporters of politicians like desantis and trump dont worship the ground they walk on. That’s pretty much a “reddit thing” where someone started saying “Trump supporters think he’s Jesus!” While that may be true for a fringe .0001% of his suppoerters, the vast majority of people that vote for any given political party see the representative for what he is: just another asshole politician.

So no, im not getting the vaccine because Trump or Desantis got it. And im not gonna get the vaccine because Biden or anybody else got it. Im not gonna get the vaccine because im young/healthy and covid is irrelevant to me.

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u/CrockPotPotty 4d ago

They won’t take it but they’ll always say “you might want to thank Trump” when talking about the vaccine

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u/flopsweater 4d ago

Trump pushed hard for accelerating the time to an effective vaccine, and was very interested in taking credit for getting there months ahead of expert projections.

I understand this is a trope for people of certain political persuasions, but it's the product of an echo chamber, not of any reality around either Trump or his supporters

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u/might-be-your-daddy 4d ago

What if I told you Trump said in May 2020 there would be millions of vaccine doses available by the end of the year (2020)?

What if I told you that news articles at the time and nearly all of reddit stated he was a fool and a vaccine "is years away"?

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/15/trump-audacious-plan-vaccine-covid19/&ved=2ahUKEwiy_Ny227DwAhVEG80KHcjBAcEQFjAAegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw0Zy66d89o2o69MSNE4oPzu

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u/this1isforp0rn69420 4d ago

Lack if education, misinformation, and mistrust of the government. Antivaxing is not limited to trumpers. Antivaxing is rather prolific in the black community do to shit the government has done in the past.

The lower class in America has been shafted by the government (both sides) but they believe in their party and not the other. Their understanding of medical information is limited.

The rhetoric you hear is it's just the right wingers but antivaxing is wider than that and it comes for a lack of education/access to material on the matter.

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u/realworldeditor 4d ago

They also are the ones crying the hardest about ending lockdowns and restrictions, but don’t want to get the vaccine that will expedite that process.

Are you seeing the trend?

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u/Verdict_US 4d ago

Because they are so propogandized that it is in direct conflict with the brainwashing they consume daily.

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u/SoloTango_BL3 4d ago

I understand completely... sadly.

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u/Mackm123456 4d ago

Well it’s not his supporters but there are people in blue states that also have the idea that vaccine is not good. People in African nations actually don’t trust the vaccine seeing how anything that the USA promised end up destroying their people and that was partially thanks to bill gates. Most people in Africa thinks the vaccine is another poison like “don’t get that near my kids because you harm our people enough”

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u/Magmorel 4d ago

I’m confused why DeSantis is called out here. Florida has a better record in aggregate than most of the larger states. Political parties aside, he made some tough calls, took some knocks, but at the end of the day, his policies did work. Not only that, he waited to get the vaccine until he was eligible under his own policies, rather than jumping the line because he’s in office. We’re giving the guy crap for that now?

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u/Skipaspace 4d ago

People don't understand this. People aren't all blue or all red.

Not every person that voted trump, was anti covid. Not every person that voted biden or something else, was not a full blown "covid believer".

Bot every person that isnt getting the vaccine was a trump or DeSantis supporter.

All this meme does is push people further to their corners.

But welcome to the internet, the middle gets lost.

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u/ledge_and_dairy 4d ago

I live in a Trump state and I know A LOT of Trump voters who have been vaccinated.

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u/Jakethedad 4d ago

Good for them. Still my body, my choice

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